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Open source Substack rival Ghost may join the fediverse | TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)
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[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Not a bad option, but what are the potential advantages over using the Pages feature of Misskey forks, or simply Wordpress?

Substack itself didn't even present a correct UI to me on mobile so I never bothered with it when it was initially popularized. Still seems to have the issue, too.

[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

One advantage over wordpress is that it avoids bringing its parent company, Automatic, into the Fediverse.

From Wikipedia:

In February 2024, Automattic announced that it would begin selling user data from Tumblr and WordPress to Midjourney and OpenAI.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean with fediverse stuff there is no need to buy the data, you can just take it with no limitation

[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're not wrong in all likelihood, but Mastodon and Misskey and their forks all have a thingy to send an opt out of AI scraping request.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 7 months ago

Yeah, i would hope they respect that but for some reason i doubt that.

[–] jlow@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I thought that was only about wordpress.com blogs not selfhosted wordpress, though?

[–] SteveKLord@slrpnk.net 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Thank you, that's an important distinction. I hope they can be trusted to live up to that. However it still feels l pretty problematic to bring them in and would be a lot of opting in to debate and implement. It remains a pretty big violation of user privacy and trust and it says here:

As if that weren't bad enough, preparations for the sale went poorly, and it seems large categories of Tumblr posts that weren't supposed to be sold were added to the mix anyway. That data includes:

Private posts from public accounts

Posts on deleted or suspended accounts

Unanswered asks

Private answers

Explicit posts

Posts from partner accounts, like ad campaigns where Tumblr doesn't own the rights. (Apple is specifically named here.)
[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Hell a lot of the time the data just ends up labelled "do not share" but still ends up in shared databases or stolen ones

[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

That's a dealbreaker for me, I may consider badgering people in my Wordpress RSS folder to ditch it, on a case-by-case basis. Even liberals are sensitive to AI stuff because it upsets them to see Journalism Infringed

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I consider wordpress open core at best these days.

A lot of really basic features like lightboxes that should be in core are in their "jetpack" SaaS plugin. This by default sends automattic a whole bunch of telemetry, which I assume they are now selling to OpenAI, and puts ads in your dashboard for other commercial SaaS features.

There's also the fact that they don't allow forks of open source plugins in their plugin repository.

[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That's really good to know, thanks, I'd assumed they were a shitty blob company until I heard they were adding federation, but I guess that intuition was correct. Sounds almost Threads-tier.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Not a bad option, but what are the potential advantages over using the Pages feature of Misskey forks

Didn't know that Misskey forks have this Pages feature. Found this https://darnell.day/hey-tumblr-and-medium-fediverse-lovers-its-time-to-misskey which explains a bit about it. Is Misskey still actively developed ? Is there an overview of the forks ?

[–] 1917isnow@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago

FediDB is really the best way to look around for servers. Totally being actively developed, there's way too many forks IMHO, but I'm sure the project maintainers would disagree for the time being.

Misskey.io seems to have range banned a lot of stuff so it's not a good demo instance. You can't translate the Japanese posts while logged out, either!

[–] dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is actively developed. Some forks are Firefish, Foundkey, Sharkey, IceShrimp

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

Thanks!