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Iran launches drone attack against Israel as Biden rushes to White House (www.theguardian.com)

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Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.

Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.

With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”

However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Congratulations to the US for breaking apart any sort of pretension of support for international law by allowing Israel to do whatever the fuck they want. Now we're going to let the crazed leadership of Iran and Israel to drag everyone around them and abroad into further military conflict. Goddamn morons don't know how to say "this is too far".

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 7 months ago

"Crazed leadership of Iran"...which did a proportional retaliatory attack on Israel.

Israel's response to Hamas is the crazy and the US backing of the genocide is also pretty crazy.

Of course, Iran isn't the good guys but take a look and recognize that we are the baddies too!

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

Ah yes, the turmoil between Muslim and Jewish populations which has only existed since the founding of America in 1776.

I wonder if Biden ever regrets creating such dogmatic differences when he gave birth to the cultures of the fertile crescent.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 7 months ago

Israel couldn't function without continued US support, this isn't some abstract, the US political establishment enables Israeli atrocities and turns a blind eye to their seizing of territory, even just last month Israel annexed Palestinian territory illegally with the full support of the West.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago

I think the situation is serious enough to avoid making such ridiculous straw-men.

[+] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world -12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli's are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.

Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans

Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.

[–] StormFather@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki

also learned that 20% muslim arabs dont exist

As of 2019, Arab citizens of Israel composed 21 percent of the country's total population.[54] About 82 percent of the Arab population in Israel are Sunni Muslims, a very small minority are Shia Muslims, another 9 percent are Druze, and around 9 percent are Christian (mostly Eastern Orthodox and Catholic denominations).

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everything from the table in your image is still considered as "German Jews."

Arab Israelis are what Israelis call certain Palestinians but mostly the Bedouin that never identified as Palestinian (generally the desert south where nationality isn't the norm). It's not an accident that Israel is considered a Western nation. The people are from Europe (not that there's anything wrong with Western values; it's just they should belong in the countries developed them as their own culture).

[–] StormFather@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bedouin make for about 10% of all muslims in Israel

In 2019, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,890,000 people

According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of 1999, 110,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, 50,000 in the Galilee and 10,000 in the central region of Israel

and most jews arent european either

There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as "Ashkenazi", "Mizrahi", etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel's Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as "Soviet" (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish group

in what country does jewish culture belongs?

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Those in the area of places like Nazareth are simply Palestinians. Some of them seem to have a "Palestinian-Israeli" identity. As of now; they know of their Palestinian origins. They follow Palestinian traditions and are now starting to protest the war in Gaza (though it took them 6 months to get permission to protest I guess -- perhaps you can clarify).

I'll give you Haifa where so many Palestinians were killed or purged out, Arab culture may have gotten weaker. I have read that Haifa Palestinians fit best in Israeli society.

Looking around on the internet, I see that Jaffa has an actual "Palestinian" (not Palestinian-Israeli or Arab Israeli) identifying position. Which makes sense as Jaffa was a Palestinian town and Tel Aviv was built around it.

There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study,

Is this self-identified or is it genetic based? I'm a little curious on how Israeli culture is affected by European Jews raising a lot of the North African

in what country does jewish culture belongs?

This is a loaded question. The Palestinians had to be pushed around a lot. I see posts about how Gaza actually had many Palestinian refugees. The issue isn't Israeli's are mainly Jewish; it's about the crimes done by foreign actors against Palestinians who are the natives of Palestine. Your question FEELS more like "should not we keep punishing Palestinians for getting in the way of setting up a country on their land?" Another way to put it is why are Palestinians still paying for Hitler's atrocities while Germany is doing so well?

Also, Germany and France have a lot of antisemitic laws, to answer your question directly.

edit: I guess I should call those laws anti-antisemitic laws

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki

When classified over a single generation, sure.

I'm not sure if you're aware but there was a massive migration about 80 years ago, and not many of those people are still around. That's the 1.3%. Their offspring are the 44%

[–] StormFather@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

the data refers to 2019 there were many migrations most of which were not from europe

[–] DdCno1@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm impressed. Every single thing you just wrote is incorrect. That's a rare achievement, even around here. "Israeli's [sic] are mostly German" takes the cake though.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

They don't call them Ashkanazi Jews for no reason. Words have etymology. Ashkanaz is supposedly the Blibical ancestor of the areas centered around Germany, including Poland. This is why their language is derivative of German (Yiddish). Ober time they moved north into Ukraine and Russia, so Yiddish developed some Slavic words.