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[–] KrombopulosMikl@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The DEA needs to be dissolved. We have the FDA for drug safety and otherwise the government needs to stay out of people’s lives.

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What? You expect the FDA to conduct raids on cartels trafficking fentanyl and heroin?

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I expect us to stop putting people in cages for getting high or helping others do so. We can't stop them, we tried and we failed.

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a really big difference between a college kid dealing weed to his friends and a fentanyl distributor. There are some substances you just can't allow to move freely through the country.

Are you aware of how little fentanyl it takes to kill someone? How badly heroin addiction changes people and ruins their lives? I am absolutely in favour of more lax rulings on recreational drugs, but not ones so completely destructive and destabilizing.

[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heroin ruins people's lives in large part because it's illegal. If it were legal it would be dirt cheap and these people could live something resembling a normal life without being pushed towards crime every time they need another fix. Nobody takes fentanyl on purpose. None of this would have happened if heroin were treated like the pharmaceutical it is and not mixed with other chemicals by untrained sociopaths.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

100% I know a bunch of people who want to get off of it, but when no one will hire you, give you a place to rent your only options are to become a criminal to survive. Don't even get me started on the shitshow that is methadone

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kind of beside your point but worth mentioning that cartels absolutely do NOT traffic fentanyl. They want to make money and fentanyl kills their customer base.

It is the low level dumber dealers who are mixing with fentanyl so they can stretch their supply to make more money.

[–] Anomandaris@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not sure that's true. Here's a US gov doc reporting on the Sinaloa drug cartel trafficking fentanyl.

The fentanyl crisis in America – fueled in large part by the Sinaloa cartel

From the link.

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Fair enough! TIL. Thanks for the info.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

100% cartels traffick fentanyl. They get precursor chemicals from Chinese companies and produce it in bulk. Id wager the lower level dealers would prefer not having fentanyl because a) they're the ones actually dealing with the fallout of the deaths and b) most drug dealers are dealer-users

Fact is, fentanyl is active at something ridiculous like 1/100th of volume than heroin. So a simple thought experiment

For the same amount of product, would you prefer smuggling 1 truckload of drugs into the US or 100 truckloads into the US? The answer is obvious. A few deaths here and there is 100% financially worth it

All the deaths don't matter because of the ridiculous savings you're getting on transporting the bulk quantity of drugs over. Fentanyl isn't going away anytime soon because of this. It's just so much easier to transport because you need to transport so much less