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[-] bort@sopuli.xyz 46 points 5 months ago

There is a video of an officer planting evidence. That should be the end of the story. But for you it is not.

You trying to control the debate shapiro-style. You create a fictional story, first in conditionals ("if they suspected ... then they had every reason"), and by asking questions ("Did he refuse a breathalyzer test at the scene? Was one offered?"). Now there is a vivid image in the readers head, that you use to derail the discussion into a completely different direction ("Bottom line here: What was this man’s blood alcohol level?").

But the counter to this is very simple: Instead of following your tangent, I will simply un-derail the topic by asking something like:

"Why do you think the officer felt the need to plant evidence?"


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Just for giggles I also asked GPT4 oppinion on the subject. His response

To support the officer's actions and shift the blame onto the accused individual, leveraging the scenario as described would involve a number of stratagems, focusing heavily on hypothetical questions, assumptions, and diverting attention from the core issue. Here's how such tactics might be applied:

  1. Emphasize Uncertainty and Technicalities: Begin by stressing the complexities and procedural nuances of DUI arrests. Highlight the importance of blood alcohol content (BAC) testing and the legal protocols involving field sobriety and breathalyzer tests. This shifts the debate from the ethics of planting evidence to the technicalities of DUI arrests, muddying the waters.

  2. Frame Hypotheticals as Probabilities: Use hypothetical situations—such as the accused refusing a breathalyzer test or having a reason for arrest due to a suspended license—as almost certain probabilities. This reframes the narrative, suggesting that the officer had just cause for suspicion, thereby indirectly justifying their misconduct.

  3. Construct a False Dilemma: Imply that there are only two possibilities - the accused was either guilty of DUI or not, completely sidestepping the issue of the officer planting evidence. This narrows the debate's focus to the accused's potential guilt, diverting attention from the officer's actions.

  4. Utilize Red Herrings: Introduce unrelated facts (e.g., the suspended license) to distract from the primary issue of evidence tampering. By focusing on these details, you can create a narrative where the officer's actions seem minor compared to the accused's alleged law-breaking behavior.

Through these strategies, the conversation can be steered towards scrutinizing the accused's behavior and the procedural aspects of DUI arrests, rather than the ethical implications of a police officer planting evidence. Such tactics, while effective in shifting debate focus, rely heav...

[-] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

She’s not going to read any of that because she’s a white supremacist as evidenced by her comments on this post.

ETA: She came here when her Reddit account got suspended: Another Redditor accused me of not knowing my blood type, before trying to accuse me of being a blood type that doesn’t even exist. This is what it looks like to prove your blood type to a bully.

Then there’s this:

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My marriage was a set up to force me to have children and then ruin my life after my children died. I wouldn’t be surprised if my husband killed my son while babysitting him, and then just swapped him for someone else’s baby. I was the only source of income and had to return to work six weeks after giving birth. He was unemployed and agreed to watch our son. Before we separated, he told me that he had me raped in my sleep to make our son. There were times when he would get so jealous of our son, even shoving his crib across the room with the baby in it, at one point. He ruined my life, but I can’t afford a lawyer, and there is nowhere to talk about it now, except Reddit.


And this:

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Sometimes a country you perceive as dangerous is actually the last place some American gang will follow you. In 2020, I was stabbed by a white, female gang member who presents as a large frame male. I had years of threats and harassment follow me after meeting this person and being subsequently stabbed. That person doesn’t speak Spanish. I went to Ecuador to escape the bullying. No one followed me to Ecuador. I was not harassed or mistreated there. Everyone thinks Ecuador is dangerous. It wasn’t. I walked through the town of Guayaquil from my hotel to the airport, and no one hurt me or harassed me.

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