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Yet another sign of Russian economy booming!
Since Putin and the trolls here on Lemmy claim that the Russian economy is booming, this must mean that Russian chip manufacturing sucked even more before Russia started using torture, rape and mass murder to try to invade Ukraine.
Note the "try"... Because, damn do they suck at invading other countries too....
If you care about Ukraine, you should start taking this more seriously. Outside of your echo-chamber, Russia has proved resilient to sanctions and their ability to manifacture vital military goods in some crucial areas outpace the west, and by far outpace what is avaliable to Ukraine.
The much hoped for ukrainian counteroffensive yeilded nothing, and instead Russia is slowly gaining ground, allthewhile expanding its army with new, fresh units and learning to work with or around their shortcomings. Ukraine doesn't have anything to put its hope to other than simple endurance. And that's something that Russia has always had a lot of. The outlook is grim.
Ukraine needs support
There are two important sides to this and you are only focusing one of them.
One is of course supporting Ukraine, as you point out, but what is also extremely important is not to let Russia get away with their obvious bullshit propaganda.
Russia is working hard on getting rid of the sanctions. One of the main tools used are to try to get people in the West to believe to Russian economy is unaffected.
It is not.
(If it was, Putin wouldn't fx deal with North Korea like they've been doing the last year.)
So if no one was calling out Putin and his useful idiots on fx Facebook or Lemmy, how long do you think the public in the West would support Ukraine?
Russia didn't need NK for anything that the west could have substituted it for. They needed them for ammo. As it stands, with that respite, they are well ahead of Ukraine on that issue because their production is stronger.
You're not calling out shit. You're pandering to delusions that need to be disspelled. Because there are facts. And those facts are that Russia will win if Ukraine doesn't get more support. Nobody is about to dismantle sanctions against Russia.
Thats cause companies didnt leave like they should have, they just changed their local shop names. And they will never be held accountable for it.
Its also cause countries, like Poland, are still trading with Russia.
Artillery rounds. Russia has done a good job keeping up with demand. The news says they are almost out but just keep going.
I support Ukraine but I was shocked at Americans limited production capabilities for artillery rounds.
correct me if I'm wrong but I think we do a lot more close air support then artillery anymore so I'm guessing that's why but I'm just guessing here
edit: spelling
That's a part of it. The other part is that Ukraine wants our out of date stuff. The artillery rounds that we produce for ourselves aren't the rounds we are sending to Ukraine. We haven't manufactured the older generation of rounds for decades, so we are having to ramp up production on products that we discontinued.
ah that makes a lot of sense
~~That's a part of it. The other part is that Ukraine wants our out of date stuff. The artillery rounds that we produce for ourselves aren't the rounds we are sending to Ukraine. We haven't manufactured the older generation of rounds for decades, so we are having to ramp up production on products that we discontinued.~~
This was supposed to be a reply to the comment below yours.
Nothing we are sending for artillery or rockets or missiles is discontinued. That’s all current military systems. The artillery sent to what our troops use. Not sure why you think we are sending obsolete equipment.
Because the news articles I've seen over the last two years indicate that we are giving them last generation equipment and ammo. They haven't gotten any of the new stuff, or at least it hasn't been reported on
155mm ammo is the same ammo we’ve been shooting since at least WW2. They are getting older weapons but they fire the same ammo.
No we are not giving them our most advanced ammo in large quantities because it’s expensive and we need it.
The M1 tanks they are being given are still better than anything Russia has. Same with the Bradleys.
Even our troops don’t have the all the latest and greatest.
I wonder at your definition of "new, fresh units" that russia is fielding
The American response to any international conflict is to call your opponents weak, soy, and gay, then spend the next 13 years grinding it out in a hellish knife fight that decimates the conflict zone and a dozen surrounding regions while complaining that they're not fighting fairly.
Nonsense. It killed a zillion Russian soldiers, by Russia's own accounting, which probably means it killed ten zillion in fact. The only good Slav is a dead Slav, and we're going to obliterate the entire Russian population at this rate. More bloody dismemberment via aerial bombardment is always something to get excited about, even if an equal number of Ukrainians are shoved into the meat grinder in the process.
Hand them all bayonets and tell them to charge.
And, you know, some other stuff.
You're aware that there are more Slavs than Russians tho, right? For example, Ukrainians are Slavs.
And we're perfectly happy feeding them into the meat grinder of war by way of forced conscription. We also don't seem to give too many shits about the livelihoods of people in Poland, Belarus, the Czechs/Slovaks, or the former Yugoslav states.
By “we” I assume you mean Americans? I’m a Latvian and from my perspective, you don’t have to give too much of a shit about the states you named. A lot of them are doing just fine. Especially Poland, Czechia and Slovenia.
What I personally care about, not just when it comes to Americans, is a bit more of a spine. I’m sure Putin would break faster if the pressure was harder. And I’m sure Europe could take the discomforts of war time economy. Instead there’s been pussyfooting.
That said, I’m just an average Joe, I might just be ignorant.
I'm so sorry. That must be awful.
I'm a little shocked to hear this from a Latvian, as you guys got fucked up pretty hard by Operations Redskin and Meteor. Feels like an Italian pining for the days of Eisenhower's GLADIO or a Cambodian saying how much they missed the foreign policy of Richard Nixon.
I'm not sure what additional pressure would look like. Part of the problem with trying to amp up pressure on Putin is that you do that by applying pressure to his allies. And if they break towards Putin because you showed up with too many sticks and not enough carrots, they're that much less likely to side with you again in the future.
Estonia, Sweden and Finland have been getting a ton of carrots relative to Poland, Hungary, and Turkey. The Saudis know they are too critical to seriously threaten. The Israelis know they've got the Americans by the balls, so they can do whatever the fuck they like. Meanwhile, the BRICS (-R) - who never really had a dog in the fight to begin with - are finding fewer and fewer reasons to work with increasingly stingy and racist American diplomats.
Which direction do you really think South Africa would go if given an ultimatum? What about India, a country far more reliant on Russian gas imports than American exports? We already pissed off Brazil by playing footsy with Bolsonaro for four interminable years.
And when the international community sees Biden as a dead man walking into the next election, there's far less confidence that he'll be there to fulfill any kind of threat or promise relative to Putin or Xi, who aren't going anywhere.
Well, whole russia is boom-ing 😁!
Who the hell thinks the russian economy isn't in freefall??
The amount of Russian friendly trolls and useful idiots on Lemmy are impressive... In a bad way.
Yeah, it ruins the experience for me. I hope some day I can feel comfortable recommending the fediverse to friends.
When one of the main instances is .ml, what you expect
Fewer here than in the old place. I haven't checked Digg or Slashdot recently to see what they look like, but I'd bet they've been taken over like the old place has
Anyone paying attention to more than just forums.
Sane people.
Sanctions unfortunately didn't work as well as we thought they would
"we"?
Russia was the third biggest exporter of oil in the world.
They were huge, and still are even though not as big as before, in oil, gas, coal, timber, fertwlizers and steel.
And you expected them to fold in a year or what?
Edit: coal and not coral...
By "we," I mean American officials. Considering that US intelligence thought that Ukraine would fall within weeks, I'm sure they were expecting sanctions to do much more and much quicker.
I'm pretty sure everyone underestimated Ukraine's ability to defend and overestimated Russia's ability to attack/invade.
However, you still talk about what you think, not what you know others thought.
Did you ignore my first sentence, or do you think I'm a senior-ranking US official? I made it pretty obvious that I was referring to how the US federal government viewed Russia and Ukraine.
No, I didn't miss it.
Somehow you take one fact, "US officials thought Ukraine was going to fall within..." and explain that that fact makes you sure about something unrelated.
First of all, as far as I remember we all drew the conclusion that Ukraine would fall within weeks. No one could imagine Ukraine was going to be able to shoot down planes transporting troops (a fact later challenged because of lack of proof) within the first days. Add to this how badly Russia performed. No one, no one, saw that coming from what we all thought was one of three military superpowers. We all had to change the world ranking on the fly when we saw, the now infamous, Russian Kyiv convoy unfold. You know, the one that essentially was fully exposed to Ukrainian attacks because logistical problems. No one predicted any of the noob shit Russia has been doing during the aggression.
So who do you mean saw all this coming before it happened in early 2022?
Yes, both things are about Ukraine but one is military intelligence and the other is a political strategy.
Your opinions on the matter are totally okay, it's a good ground for a healthy debate, but opinions are not facts.
I don't think it's booming by any means, but it's definitely not collapsing in a way that many assumed.
Perhaps Putin doesn't give a fuck, perhaps it's because they have enough reserves to keep things going for x months/years, who knows. I would love to see them lose their reserves and truly start to look at the position they've put themselves in. That's when Putin's leadership will be questioned at a higher level, and the idea of "one mother state" will be viewed as a disaster.
The masters never cares about the people. Putin still lives the same way he did before in his palace.
Russia will most likely not collapse (as in "total chaos") as long as China, India, Brasil and other countries support them in their colonization efforts.
But it will bring them down on their knees and it will, if the West somehow is able to deliver ammunition etc, force Russia to end their war in Ukraine.
I'm not optimistic, especially not since the Americans are about to vote for the Russian asset in the upcoming election, but hope is the last thing that leaves you....
Americans aren't about to vote for the Mango Mussolini. Red~~coats~~ hats are.
But one thing they're good at is subverting political parties in other countries to do their bidding.
They are doing ao well they can afford to waste half their chips
I'd like to see some review/benchmark (don't know which chips they're making)
To be fair, the Russian economy is actually doing well. I'm pretty sure it had the most growth out of any G7 nation the past year.
These sanctions aren't having the effect that a lot of you would want to believe. It's actually having the opposite, forcing Russia to rely on domestic production once again instead of the world market.
The Russian economy is running hot, it's unhealthy and unsustainable. Even that ignores that they overshot their military budget last year and it was actually 6% of GDP.
Also, there will be serious long-term effects due to lack of workers. Millions have fled, died, or been permanently injured, and Russia was already facing a difficult demographic crunch.