In my opinion, oppression is coming whether we like it or not. The resource depletion and overconsumption of global capitalism is destroying our ecosystems. We can choose degrowth and a planned economy under socialism, or continued environmental damage under fascism. Our current way of living is unsustainable. We need to read up and understand the choices, or the decisions for our futures will be made for us.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What we need is a culture shift, not oppression. I refuse to believe mankind is not capable of improving their collective behavior except under threat of violence - In fact, I think such violence would be counterproductive if the goal is to live in harmony with planetary limits. Degrowth cannot be imposed. Society must want it. Stop being mindless consumers. We can't make that happen by the barrel of a gun. Peace must be included

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Climate change will not afford us the time to shift culturally. Soon, agricultural failures, floods, droughts and mass migration are going to tax resources. We need to study and understand these disparate systems to navigate the coming crises. We’re not going to do it, but I like to think positively.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As long as you realize oppression will only make it harder, not easier, to counter a crisis of human selfishness.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’m not sure I’m communicating my opinion well. The oppression that is coming is unavoidable.

A transition to socialism will destabilize the economy causing widespread suffering.

A transition to fascism will persecute groups and depress the economy, causing suffering.

Keeping the status quo will eventually force the economy to recede due to the destabilizing effects of climate change. Global suffering.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Suffering can be alleviated but not eliminated. I talk about oppression, which is domination of one group over another, with violence. This happens in fascism but historically also with (ML) communism. I'm saying that using the power of the state to FORCE people to change their ways, will be counterproductive. I'm on board with degrowth, but something positive must replace the consumerism.

The miscommunication is your misunderstanding of the word oppression in relation to ML. I'm talking about a specific problem with the ML "solution" to climate change. I don't have all the answers, but I know ML only makes things worse for everyone.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I would rather live under a Marxist-Leninist government with a planned economy that gives us a chance to mitigate climate catastrophe. The current capitalist governments aren’t even bothered by climate change. You’ve invented a boogeyman in Marxist-Leninism so that you don’t have to confront the current crisis of capitalism. When the world crumbles with overconsumption from capitalism, will your last words be, “At least we didn’t try the disastrous Marxist-Leninism?”

It’s about harm reduction and the lesser- evil. 👿 Capitalism is the greater harm to the planet. Socialism/Anarchism/Marxist-Leninism involve planned economies that can help us transition to more sustainable energy systems. It’s pragmatism.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Imagine putting anarchism, socialism and Marxism-Leninism all in the same basket

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 7 months ago

They’re all anti-capitalist, which is what is needed for the future. We can sort out the details when we get to that point.