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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 173 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

It's worth recalling when support for the Chechen war was low, Putin initiated a campaign of apartment building bombings in 1999.

Some chatter that there were around 8 shooters, and they walked into the hall and immediately shot 40-50, result might end up with over 100 killed. One of the shooters has allegedly been arrested, ISIS-K or Imarat Kavkaz would be under srict instructions NOT to be taken alive. There's considerable dueling narratives right now

No matter who is actually responsible - Putin will probably blame Ukraine

It looks like US Intelligence warned of this attack in early March.

People at the venue lost all phone and Internet connectivity right prior to the attack. Jamming was being used.

The entire city of Moscow is now on lockdown.

ISIS, through its outlet al-Amaq, just claimed responsibility for the terror attack in Moscow tonight.

[–] Lewo@lemmy.world 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

People were posting videos while the attack was happening. Where are you getting this information about "jamming" from? Nearby traffic distribution nodes were likely overloaded which resulted in degraded performance of Telegram and VK services. This is something to be expected when thousands or even millions of people start sending messages all at once, trying to figure out what's happening to their friends and family.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

All the videos I've seen are CCTV which were distributed well after the fact. channel 12 from Russia reported the jamming. I'm aware of what a mobile network will do on overload since I used to design and deploy them. It doesn't quite work that way.

[–] Lewo@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Telegram channels such as Baza, Ostorozhno Novosti and Vazhnye Istorii were posting eyewitness statements and phone footage as early as 20:15 Moscow time and throughout the event. There was no jamming. Degraded performance was reported for Telegram and VK. Whether the issue was with the local access points or Telegram's data centers is not clear.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Just because cell networks are jammed doesn't take the whole Internet down. Wifi sourced from copper and fiber networks will continue to work.

And Jamming isn't some sort of scifi superpower, plenty of devices will connect despite the attempts to jam. Those in closest proximity to the jamming source would be most affected.

So don't make leap that "videos getting published to Telegram" = "No jamming was occurring", because one doesn't prove the other.

[–] summerof69@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again, what's the source that the internet was jammed? I haven't heard anyone mentioning that, including witnesses on the place.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

I thought Internet was already under control of Moscow, but it'd be wild if it turned out it wasn't all this time and Putin would never do something like this again, like those other times he did

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

But the burden of proof is on you. At this time, you are simply spreading an unfounded conspiracy theory.

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Like any russian media can be trusted.

[–] summerof69@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You didn't answer the question.

Where are you getting this information about “jamming” from?

This is the first time I'm hearing this.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's in the text. Read it again.

[–] summerof69@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] dtrain@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

In. the. text. he. typed.

Whatchu want, a reliable source?

Trust him, brah.

[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

An excerpt from the article:

In October 2002, Chechen militants took about 800 people hostage at a Moscow theater. Two days later, Russian special forces stormed the building and 129 hostages and 41 Chechen fighters died, most of them from effects of narcotic gas Russian forces use to subdue the attackers.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Those are two separate events...

The false flag apartment bombings were carried out by actual Russian security services - not Chechen assets, or militants.

On an ~~related~~ unrelated note, ~~some of Russian agents who took part were comically stupid.~~ If you aren't aware of the Sims vs SIM card mix-up, do yourself a favor and look it up.

Edit: as pointed out below, the Sims vs SIM card was not part of the 1999 false flag operation, but a more recent one (2022). My bad.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The Sims comedy hour was a separate event from the other two, it was a 2022 attempt to frame Ukraine for terrorism.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I bet this is the first actual terrorist attack on Russia that was not perpetraded by Putin. I mean, even a clock and so on...

[–] ours@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

They botched one of the apartment building bombings worse than "The Sims card" thing. They had announced one of the bombings before doing the actual bombing.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago

It's worth recalling when support for the Chechen war was low, Putin initiated a campaign of apartment building bombings in 1999.

That was the immediate memory. It's interesting how much truth will be figured out in this current case.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The entire city of Moscow is now on lockdown.

Only public places.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Thank god! Steets are safe again huh? Like those evil election protests, finally a curfew ended all that