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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Chechens finally making a move?

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It could be. It certainly tracks with the separatists' move into guerilla tactics later in the second Chechen war.

Out of any time for them to start striking again, this would be it. Russia is stretched thin in manpower and supplies, and their attention is very focused on Ukraine and the West. Their ability to dump resources into the southern Caucus to tamp down a potential Chechen War #3 is definitely going to be limited. And coupled with the completion of Putin's sham election, it sends a very strong message against Russia's outward facade of "unity".

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

What, is Kadyrov not a lapdog anymore? He would seem to be the first hurdle, not a later one. Of course maybe he’s dead or something, idk, i haven’t checked tiktok in a long time.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Why would they attack random civilians instead of pulling a Wagner move towards the Kreml? Russia already showed that they wouldn't have much of a resistance to show for it.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

A terror attack requires a couple of guys with small arms. A move towards the Kremlin requires significantly more manpower and equipment.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They might have beards, hard to tell from the footage I've seen.

May be Islamic terrorism or a bad ol' fashioned Russian false flag. I doubt Ukrainians or Ukrainian supporting people would do a random terror shooting, they like to be more targeted and the shooting was at random people. There was a foiled group of Islamic terrorists arrested earlier this month, maybe another group.

We will have to see what Russia says.

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, Ukraine hasn't done anything civilian targeting attacks so i highly doubt it was them. They know how important optics are when it comes to getting international support.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well they targetted civilian targets (the refineries) but have not targetted civilians (i.e. people).

[–] borari@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The distinction is not between civilian targets and military targets, it is between “civilian objects” and “military objectives”. Targeting a civilian infrastructure such as refineries, and even civilian power stations can be considered valid military objectives if they make an effective contribution to military action or offer a definite military advantage. The refineries being hit by Ukraine definitely meet that definition.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/when-are-attacks-civilian-infrastructure-war-crimes-2022-12-16/

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Just pointing out that what Ukraine does not attack is civilians or in your nomeclature "civilian objects", but unlike what might be understood from the post I was responding to (because it used "civilian" rather than "civilians"), it does attack civilian infrastructure (when it is a "military objective", as you pointed out).

Personally I think the attacks on Russian refineries should already been happenning for a long time and I find it's a disgrace the limitations most European countries and the US placed on Ukranian use of the weapons they provided inside Russia. Strategically it's ridiculous that Ukraine has had to suffer its infrastructure and its Economy being destroyed whilst Russia needed not at all worry about having it's productive and economic infrastructure degraded: since Putin doesn't seem to care at all about human lives, until Ukraine finally made their own weapons with range enough to hit Russian Economic Targets and started targetting Russian refineries, this invasion of his had been almost risk-free.

[–] borari@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Ah ok, I misinterpreted your post then. I thought you were insinuating that because refineries are civilian infrastructure Ukraine shouldn’t be targeting them. We’re in agreement here, don’t target actual civilians and slam as many drones as possible into refineries and any other valid targets within Russia.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

The Third Chechen War

[–] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 months ago

Could be Chechen fringe separatist group. or Ingushetia.