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[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 42 points 8 months ago (2 children)

we need to get religion out of our society, it causes nothing but problems.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't understand. This old book told me all the answers to life's mysteries. WoOoOooo it's infallible.

God it would be funny/sad if someone found a copy of Mike Pences auto biography 10,000 years after some cataclysm destroyed society. Than they started worshiping it.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

WoOoOooo

You said it wrong. You failed your attempt at conversion.

Wololo. Wololo. Wololo.

Welcome to the Huns.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

My dad was one of those jerks that would build 30-40 priests on an Econ build and then push with them when you decided to try and crack that nut,

Poof there goes your army.

Not that he really knew what an Econ build was, or any of the other things. But he’d play this “I don’t know what I’m doing” act and get away with it, (and he wasn’t good enough to deserve a feudal rush. Just… annoying.)

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

These kind of "Christians" are about as christian as the people from Sodom.

That doesn't make it right to fuck things up for everyone else.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Sorry, that's a no true Scotsman fallacy.

It doesn't matter if they aren't Christ-like. Many, many Christians, including clergy and even pontiffs have committed atrocities. They still worshiped Christ, making them Christians.

If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren't Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren't Christians, the Conquistadors weren't Christians, etc. I don't think that's what you intend, but that is the problem with suggesting people who are not Christlike are not Christians.

Otherwise, we need to invent a new religion and put a huge percentage of people from the last 2000 years who thought they were called Christians into it.

[–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago

They are fascists. Fascist christians vs christians.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you read the fallacy you'd realize that you fell into the false fallacy fallacy.

To quote your linked article:

No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and similar counterexamples by appeal to rhetoric.

There is plenty of countries with a christian background and still majority christian population, that wouldn't even think to discuss such absurd policies. American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole. Much of their nutjobbery is specific to them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

American nutjobs cannot be considered to be representative of christianity as a whole.

No one said they were. They aren't. But they are Christians. That is their religion even if you don't like that it is the same as yours.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is not the true scotsman fallacy though. I never said they aren't Christians, i said that they are about as christian as, implying that they lack the qualities associated with it. Also i'm not a christian.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I think you're misremembering. You did say they aren't Christians:

[–] SaltySalamander@kbin.social -2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If we were to play it your way, the Crusaders weren’t Christians, the Spanish Inquisition weren’t Christians, the Conquistadors weren’t Christians, etc

All of the above are Catholic, and the vast majority of Christians I know would agree that they aren't Christian.

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Catholics are the OG Christians, despite what all the seething Protestants might tell you.

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

Nope. That would be the orthodox christians you still find sprinkled around Palestine and Syria. The catholics are already roman "lets stabilize our empire with mixing religion and poltiics" brand of christians.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

That is not only another No True Scotsman fallacy, it's also anecdotal.

Catholics are undeniably Christians no matter what other Christians may think. Catholicism likely came before their sect anyway.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That may be but the original point you seemed to make was broader.

I.e. you just moved the goal post because of the examples.

Are Prosperity Theology Christian's not really Christian?

btw, the buddha wasn't a buddhist, and christ wasn't a christian. Let go of identity views and just do the next right thing.

The world is tribal enough.

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I've been thinking of them as antichristian. Not as in against Christianity, but as in antichrist ...ian. From what I've heard the whole idea of the antichrist is supposed to be that Christians love the guy even though the guy goes against all of the lessons of Jesus, but he does the performative stuff. That sounds like what I see there.

[–] TengoDosVacas@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Christianity is an evil ideology, and they are acting as christians.