here are some hyper-polluting individuals:
- the Rolling Stones’ Boeing 767 (5,046 tonnes of CO2)
- Lawrence Stroll (1,512 flights)
- Thirty-nine jets linked to 30 Russian oligarchs – (30,701 tonnes of CO2)
relevant quote:
But I will say this, a movement can't get along without a devil, and across the whole political spectrum there is a misogynistic tendency to choose a female devil, whether it's Anita Bryant, Hillary Clinton, Marie Antoinette, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or J.K. Rowling [or Taylor Swift]. And there's always gonna be people who seize on any opportunity to be misogynistic. So I would advise trans people and our allies [or environmentalists] to keep in mind, that J.K. Rowling [Taylor Swift] is not the final boss of transphobia [anti-environmentalism]. She's not our devil. The devil is the Republican Party, the Conservative Party.
—Natalie Wynn (emphasis and bracket text mine)
edit: if you can’t respond to this without using the c*nt expletive it is not helping your case lmao. mods are we okay with this? in any case, please don’t feed the trolls.
edit 2/FAQ: “but why did she threaten legal action against that college kid though?” still shitty, but refer to this comment for a good explanation of the context behind that decision.
She only threatened legal action since those memes started before when her flight movements got the attention of the right in an attempt to make her less credible of a voice speaking out against trump. And knowing how batshit insane trump cultists can be and how she’s basically the single most hated person of his base I’m not surprised that she feared for her security. Those records were public for years but the legal action only happened after someone created that meme and even fox news suddenly cared about plane emissions…
[…] For Swift, this is legitimate fear. I don't know if you've ever experienced actual fear for your life, but it's crippling, and it effects your psyche. To experience that on a daily basis because of an app? You bet your goddamn ass I'm going to talk to my lawyers about what my options are.
sources/timeline for the above:
- mid 2022, the media begins scrutinizing Swift for her flying patterns
- in response, Swift’s jet drops from 19 to just over 2 flights per month
- her flights pick up slightly with the start of her massive Eras tour but still significantly less than pre-July 2022
- December 6, 2023, Swift embroiled in election conspiracy theory, basically making her MAGA’s enemy number one.
- January 30, 2024, Taylor Swift gets rid of one private jet
- February 6, 2024, news outlets first report on the cease and desist.
Aight so lets just ignore that the 2015 mobbing happened on a chartered flight
You understand that a chartered flight doesnt stop the exact problem with the private flights? She isnt planepooling a chartered flight. Youre arguing for her to solve a problem she doesnt have with a solution that keeps the actual problem
The problem that private flights shouldn't be a thing? I'd say it does.
Oh good lord, do you think the problem with private flights is that the plane belongs to a single person?
No? I think the problem with private flights is that they exist when chartered flights would be fine.
Chartered flights do the exact same thing that is the issue with private flights.
So, yes, you do think the problem is that the plane is owned by one person.
You do know that there are many examples where commercial airlines are not practical, right?
Medical flights, for example.
Then there are indigenous communities in Alaska where chartering a flight is the easiest way off the island. I suppose we should fuck them over like we usually do.
You understand that swift isnt a doctor or someone living in a remote island town right? You grok that using charter does exactly nothing to change why she is getting criticism, yes?
Or do you think that because there is some acceptable ways to use a plane, that means all ways that use the plane must be acceptable via the transitive property?
Or are you seriously trying to call me a fucking racist because you think alaskan natives take charter planes for 15 minute car ride distances?
Got it. Since Taylor Swift isn't a doctor or on a remote island, end all charter flights.
Are you a racist? No. Do you care about indigenous people? Clearly not since you want to end charter flights due solely to Taylor Swift no matter how much it hurts their community.
As for the 15-minute distances, I said that way way too short in my very first post, and repeatedly said so other times, so you must not be only talking about 15-minute charter flights because otherwise you either didn't read what I wrote or are gaslighting me. Which of those three is it? I'm guessing it's the "ban all charter flights" one since you have suggested that multiple times. Which, again, means you don't give a fuck about indigenous people.
Also, it sometimes only takes 15 minutes to island-hop. Say... between one indigenous community to another. But since that is a bad thing, fuck them. Right?
Right, because when someone says swift shouldnt be chartering, that secretly means end the concept of chartered flights.
Lile how when your mom told you that you werent mature enough for a puppy, what she really meant was strangle all dogs to death, forever.
Really really really gross to use minorities as a meat shield for a billionaire, there, reject reddit mod. Fascinating that you think you can island hop in a car in 15 minutes, btw.
You said the issue was chartered flights, not Taylor Swift taking chartered flights.
But fine, let's ban Taylor Swift personally from taking chartered flights. I'm not shielding her. Problem solved?
Nope! Learn to fuckin read dude. I said swift changing from private to chartered does not change the problem that swift is being criticized for.
At no point at all did I make a single statement about the concept of chartering, outside of the actual topic of why swift should be using public flights.
You have spent this entire thread defending billionaires, and you threw fucking alaskan natives in front of you like a rug to walk on to do so. So, no, sorry reddit mod. Youre lying there too.
Glad you got to squeak in a little racist spew tho! Fucking freak
Nope. I did not defend billionaires once. First I said there was a security risk, then I said chartered flights should be allowed.
Also, since you have never actually explained your issue with chartered flights, I can only guess at what it is.
Is it that there should be an upper income cap on who should be allowed to take chartered flights? Is that there should be a limit to the number of times someone should be allowed to take a chartered flight? Is that you should only be allowed to take chartered flights a certain distance? Is it that rich people deserve to walk? I honestly don't know. You've brought up the climate, but none of those issues would change the necessity of chartered flights, so the climate would still be at risk from chartered flights.
So, again, what is the issue here? And how would you solve it?
I don't hold out much hope for you to answer any of that because I don't believe you're here in good faith, but feel free to prove me wrong.
"Uh oh! Someone criticized taylor swift! Better accuse them of hating a minority for using planes for necessary travel!"
Ok racist
Fucking riot for you to call me bad faith. Fuck off dude, go suck swifts toes
I knew you weren't going to explain either what your problem is or what the solution is. In other words- not here in good faith.
You can get mad at me for guessing that you don't care about indigenous people because you want to ban all charter flights, but, again, since you won't explain the issue or the solution, all I can do is guess.
Or you could read what I wrote, and not drag actual human minorities like a meat shield into an argument about wasting resources on unnecessary personal plane trips.
I cannot out-explain bad faith racist bullshit.
"Oop! I said something reeeeeeaally racist and now no one wants to talk to me! They must be BAD FAITH. I will not think critically about this ever! Yipee!!"
I am not swifts toes. Fuck off.
I did read what you wrote. And I have no idea what you think the actual problem is or what the solution would be.
And since I've asked you to tell me and you refuse, I don't think you actually know. Hence you being here in bad faith.
By the way, I can name precisely two Taylor Swift songs, I've only heard one of them, and I didn't care for it. But I'm sure you'll say that's a lie.
You clearly are not reading, as you keep lying about me not explicitly telling you what the problem is.
Just checked the mirror, racist, still not swifts toes. Fuck off.
I'm not reading?
My very first comment:
So if you've agreed with me the whole time, why have you been arguing?
If you cannot grok my literal first comment to you, youve been arguing in bad faith this whole time.
Im. Not. Swifts. Feet. Fuck. Off.
Again, we're in agreement. Why are you arguing with me?
I don't get it. Do you want me to not agree with you?
What is it with racists that they continue to harass people who tell them to fuck off?
Believe it or not, I don't have to do what you order me to do.
Also believe it or not, you can stop replying to me at any time. That you haven't proves that you don't actually want me to fuck off.
We'll see if you continue to prove that. All you have to do to show I'm wrong is not respond.
On the other hand, you could explain why you're arguing with me when we agree.
Cool, so the racist mod is now intentionally harassing me. Fun.
Fuck off
Thanks for proving me correct. I'm not a mod in this community. I'm not sure why you think I am.
Also, please quote the racist thing I said. Unless that was a lie, of course. Personally, I think it was a lie. You can prove me wrong on that one too.
Cool, so now the racist mod harassing me demands I stop bringing up the racist things they said, while they harass me.
Fuck off
Are you actually trying to gaslight me into agreeing with you that I'm a mod on 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone and that I'm a racist? Because this is pretty pathetic.
What part of fuck off do you not get
Again, you can stop replying to me any time you want.
And I'm still not a mod here:
Note the word 'mods.' Note my name isn't there.
Are you going to continue this silly gaslighting?
Wjat part of fuck off do you not get
I'll make a deal with you- I will happily fuck off just as soon as you explain why you lied about me being a mod and a racist.
Until then, I will not fuck off. Sorry. I've got a lot of time on my hands and apparently so do you, so I guess this will go on for a very long time.
Unless you explain why you lied of course.
What part of fuck off do you not get
I know you think if you keep pasting that, it will work, but it won't.
I also know you wouldn't keep pasting that if you weren't enjoying this. After all, there is something very simple you can do if you want me to fuck off and you refuse to do it.
You like me.
Cool, Im just gonna contact the mods about you straight up saying you will not stop harassing me despite repeatedly acknowledging you understand I do not want you messaging me anymore.
I thought I was a mod.
Should I contact them and let them know you've been lying about me? Calling me a racist and lying about me being a mod? Because that would be trolling.
Fuck off
Sure. I will happily fuck off just as soon as you explain why you lied about me being a mod and a racist.
Please touch grass
Could you report them for me? My app keeps sending the reports to my instance admin.
They also mod a community on world, Ive contacted people over there. This is insane behavior for a mod to have
Do I agree with Squids stance here? No. I have a different opinion and take on the entire Swift situation, at least I think. This entire thread has been wildly unclear. So while I disagree with Squid and think that he should have dropped this, it's only because you're a blatant troll. You have not adequately laid out any argument or opinion you have here. You keep expecting people to assume based off of previous comments but those comments are just as unclear.
Finding out your opinion is essentially trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle without the front cover. I have no idea what I'm supposed to be looking for. What I have found, however, is incessant piss baby behavior. You keep screaming that he's racist for literally no reason, keep just saying "mod" without clarifying that he's not a mod here, and spammed the same message over and over again when you should have blocked.
You need to grow the hell up and act like a fucking adult.
Cool, the harasser sent more harassers, awesome
No. You did when you came into my private messages and started harassing him and questioning his behavior on a completely unrelated community.
Unlike you, I have the capacity to block someone, especially when they're a blatantly obvious troll. Bye!