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‘They lied’: plastics producers deceived public about recycling, report reveals
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So don't even try?
You know how ridiculous it looks to try to justify inaction, since nothing will ever affect change (per that stupid link of yours), so why bother?
You're so busy to try to win an Internet argument, and save face for being called out on something, that you post some kind of really dumb link on something so abstract that no one gives a crap about, instead of just taking a moment and thinking about "hey maybe if I made that phone call my local rep will see that their constituents are interested in the subject and will actually bring it up when they're in Washington".
You are part of the problem that you're bitching and moaning about here on Lemmy.
No. You’re part of the problem. Liberals think they can create radical change in the capitalist system through voting and reforms, when that is empirically not the case.
We are under threat from fascism because of liberalism.
I do not advocate inaction. I want people to educate themselves and organize. I don’t care about losing internet arguments.
Fine. You win. Now, read and learn of things that might help you better create change.
Organizing can sometimes be as simple as "hey lets all call a senator to pressure them and lock up the phone lines and staff". The idea that strikes or revolutions are the only things that effect change is silly. Those just hurt the most but they are the hardest to organize as well.
What’s the point of posting links if no one reads them?
You know, talking to your local house representative isn't a "liberal" thing to do, it's an American citizenry thing to do.
And I guarantee you, if enough of us did that, on a regular basis, so that those Representatives are fearful for their positions if they go against the will of their constituents, you would see actual change happen.
You won't see change if we just complain about things on an Internet forum.
By the way, that Cambridge paper you quoted, is from 2014. Politics has changed since then. And, that paper doesn't discuss at all about the issue of the citizenry being inactive and not forcing their will onto those they elect. It also mentions where citizenry through special interest groups like labor unions can affect change.
Well, you’ve proven yourself. I’ll stop reading revolutionary theory and call my representative Monday.
Even Marxists who live in a democratic country could potentially benefit from speaking to their local elected representative. Beats waiting around for a revolution that will never come.
I’m old. I’ve written. Emailed. Called, and voted my entire life. The political landscape is not getting better. It’s getting worse.
At least you can look at yourself in the mirror; you tried. The only thing any of us could be asked to do. Don't let cynicism ruin you.
You seem to be a cruel optimist.
"That's so deep, man."
Not really. If you go deeper, you’ll find that everyone is immoral.
I mean, we're straying far from the original conversation, so I'll just leave it with agree to disagree, and move on.
Take care.
And that is why nothing happens…
Take care.
Well, trying to meet you in the middle of "everyone is immoral" is too much of a hard ask.
I thought we were having an honest and polite conversation, but you seem to go for that last Internet point win all of a sudden.
What was your expectation? What exactly are you advocating?
Enlightened Centrists will kill us all.
I'm asking you to use your own words, and not just link years old articles.
Enlightened Centrists will kill us all. Source