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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Once some major players start conscripting people I think it'd be reasonable to call it WW3. This is the preamble

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't russia been conscripting for a couple of years now?

[–] dlpkl@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

whether you or me like them or not, they are a major player.

now we just need china and a couple more euro countries to join in on the fun.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well it did say major players, plural. If you have major players directly in opposition and both feeling the need for conscription...

[–] AlfredEinstein@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Iran has always had mandatory military service for men 18+. You can buy out if you're rich, but they've been drafting for years.

And Iran is arguably the #3 major player ahead of Israel who wants to keep their military action at home.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

thats russia and the US right now.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't see any draft in the US happening right now...

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

they are desperate for conscripts

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why would you say that? They aren't conscripting at all. There's not even a whiff of anyone suggesting we need to activate the draft.

Conscription refers to involuntary military service, and there hasn't been a hint of that since Vietnam (it worked out sooo well in Vietnam, with a crazy high incidence of soldiers killing their own superiors).

Even in voluntary service, recruiting is way less aggressive than it used to be. Growing up in the 80s/early 90s you were inundated with recruiting efforts, on radio, television, and even as a pretty aggressive part of school. My kid has not been nearly so exposed to recruiting efforts. Now we have a third of people going in compared to 1990 (and they are still turning down about 25% of applicants).

So I don't know where you are coming from, but involuntary service in US isn't vaguely in sight and even if you mistook voluntary service for 'conscripts', even that is at a 40 year low and still turning away people... Hardly seems 'deseperate'

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

they are participating on conflicts all over the world and are missing their targets for personnel, despite aggressive campaingns on social media kids.

this tells me enough about their involvement and possible future role in the next world war.

it doesnt need to be simpler than this.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

whether you or me like them or not, they are a major player.

No Russia is not a major player. Remember those estimates about Russia taking Ukraine in a week, two weeks tops? Those estimates were based on Russia being a near peer. That assessment was incorrect. Russia is not a near peer.

Also Russia's capabilities have been significantly diminished because of the war in Ukraine. They can't project power anymore. Russia is devolving down to the level of North Korea. They have nukes, so have to be considered, but no real capability to project power. Not a major player.

And other countries are involved. China is somewhat involved on the diplomatic front. But guess what their priorities are? They're against Iran's "Axis of Resistance" attacking shipping routes between Europe and Asia. Because obviously.

So it's basically just Russia+Iran against everyone else in the world. At this point it seems like Iran is struggling to keep their proxies under control. Not exactly WW3.

[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz -2 points 9 months ago

You don't think Russia is a major player in this current shitshow? Or was it an attempt to belittle Russia?

I'm assuming its the latter because otherwise you're a dense motherfucker

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

some major players are already doing this.

yay ww3, just what we needed.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Conscripting and openly killing one another* as in us on russia or china type shit would be more fair I guess haha

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

well.... thats kinda happening too..

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

I mean, you're not wrong. But I'd rather remain in denial. I'm not old enough to avoid the draft yet lol