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Maryland House Democrats introduced a controversial gun safety bill requiring gun owners to forfeit their ability to wear or carry without firearm liability insurance.

Introduced by Del. Terri Hill, D-Howard County, the legislation would prohibit the “wear or carry” of a gun anywhere in the state unless the individual has obtained a liability insurance policy of at least $300,000.

"A person may not wear or carry a firearm unless the person has obtained and it covered by liability insurance issued by an insurer authorized to do business in the State under the Insurance Article to cover claims for property damage, bodily injury, or death arising from an accident resulting from the person’s use or storage of a firearm or up to $300,000 for damages arising from the same incident, in addition to interest and costs,” the proposed Maryland legislation reads.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Imagine living in a place where owning a gun isn't the real controversy, and this isn't already a law...

Literally the only gun I want right now is in the VR game pistol whip. It also get me exercising.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

wait until you discover things like bears, or mountain lions.

[–] PopcornTin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I've seen Disney cartoons. Animals are cute, cuddly, and help you get dressed

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

you make a good point.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Haha those we actually have. As long as people have been following the rules and not feeding them and locking up their garbage, they don't really like to go near humans. That said there have been problems of people trying to pet the big cats.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago

yeah, idk about you, but if the potential for a wild animal attack of some variety were to happen. I think i would be more inclined to have a weapon of some kind on me, then not, especially if i were rural.

[–] thoughtorgan@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These people discredit you because they refuse to understand the practical use of firearms, and focus on the unlawful use.

If I go campaign to ban all makers and spray paint to curb graffiti. I'd be ridiculed.

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

And rightly so

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, that's why a guy living in the middle of Dallas needs an AR-15. Defense against bears and mountain lions.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

didnt realize people only lived in dallas, that's crazy.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

AR-15s are legal in Dallas despite the lack of bears and mountain lions. Which was your reasoning for legal guns.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah, the original comment was pretty vague though. I provided a reason why people, particularly those that live farther out of the city might want a gun.

I suppose the dallas argument is true? There are other reasons to own guns though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think the Dallas argument is true. Firstly because you're really unlikely to be bitten by a rattlesnake in an urban area, secondly because they sneak attack and so you would be unlikely to shoot one before it bites you anyway and thirdly, they have hospitals in Dallas that can administer antivenin and you don't have to waste a bunch of bullets in a futile effort to shoot a snake that's already bitten you.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

hate to break it to you. There are more reasons to own guns than "snakes"

you ever wonder why people like motorcyles, off-roading, racing, etc... Same idea.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yes, I realize that. The person I was talking about thinks snakes, bears and mountain lions are why guns should be legal.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this article is about a law in maryland

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, Baltimore is famous for bears and mountain lions. We definitely need guns there.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Okay, since you're sharing links, how about sharing a link with me about how many people in Maryland have been attacked by a bear or a mountain lion in the last 10 years.

Actually, I'll make it even easier for you- how many people in the United States have been attacked by a bear or a mountain lion in the last 10 years?

You know, since bears wandering around neighborhoods that aren't in Baltimore (Howard county is next to Baltimore and a lot of it is rural- did you even know that?) are such a major threat that we need people to have AR-15s in downtown Baltimore.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

im not making a case that bears are the onay reason to own a gun. i'm saying there are bears in maryland, and thats enough reason to own a gun there.

dallas has rattle snakes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If bears are enough of a reason to own a gun in downtown Baltimore, you can tell me exactly how many bear attacks there have been in the U.S. in the last 10 years.

Then tell me how many people in Dallas have been killed by rattlesnakes (which sneak attack).

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the fact they live within a few miles is all the reason i need.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

See, the funny thing is that I know that there have been a grand total of two bear attacks in Maryland's entire history, both non-fatal, 46 fatal bear attacks total in the U.S. in the last 10 years. I also know that no one in Dallas has been killed by a rattlesnake.

Reasoning that guns need to be legal in Baltimore because of two non-fatal bear attacks in the state's entire history is ludicrous reasoning.

If you think that guns should be legal, come up with a better argument than 'defense from something that almost never happens.'

I mean how about defense from people? Why did you have to go with something ludicrous like mountain lions? You really can't come up with a non-ridiculous scenario where a gun might be needed in a city?

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not up to you to determine how much danger do I need to be in before I'm allowed to prepare for that danger.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's up to me to determine that your reasoning for legal guns is silly and cowardly and there are dozens and dozens of better reasons for legal guns which are neither silly nor cowardly.

Why you literally didn't go with 'home self-defense from intruders' when that actually happens to people I don't know. Instead you go with 'I need an AR to protect myself from rattlesnakes' which, granted, has given me a good laugh this morning, but it's the worst reason I have ever heard anyone make for legal guns.

Honestly, I'm starting to think you're some sort of troll account for someone who is actually against legal guns.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

An AR would be a TERRIBLE choice for a rattlesnake.

That's why they make these: :)

https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/snake-slayer/

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

>I need an AR to protect myself from rattlesnakes’ which, granted, has given me a good laugh this morning, but it’s the worst reason I have ever heard anyone make for legal guns.

this is an appeal to ridicule. it is not a rebuttal.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trying to do the 'this is not a logical argument' thing when you just lied about what I said in another thread is not going to work very well.

Especially when you are trying to go with 'protection from mountain lions' over 'protection from home invaders' as a reason to have guns legal.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this is just poisoning the well.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know you think you know terms from a college formal logic class you probably never took, but you have still lied about me twice now in another thread and you still have made the worst argument for legal guns I have ever heard.

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this is more poisoning the well. poisoning the well is a form of ad hominem, and personal attacks are expressly prohibited on lemmy.world and this community.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That is neither ad hominem nor a personal attack. You did lie about me twice. Right here: https://kolektiva.social/users/bigMouthCommie/statuses/111867533172612302

Are you going to deny it now? Will this be lie number three?

[–] bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even if I did lie about you which I didn't that doesn't change whether what I'm writing in this thread is true. You're attacking the person here by saying "this person did a thing therefore you shouldn't listen to them." it's textbook poisoning the well. it's an ad hominem. it's a personal attack.

qed

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

which I didn’t

You did. I linked to it. First you said I was saying someone shouldn’t own a gun, which I did not, then you said I was arguing with them, which I was not. Both were lies. So that is lie number three.

You’re attacking the person here by saying “this person did a thing therefore you shouldn’t listen to them.”

And this is lie number four. I never suggested anyone shouldn’t listen to you.

it’s a personal attack.

I have never once attacked you personally. That is lie number five.

qed

You have demonstrated nothing, but I will not call that a lie, I will chalk that up to you likely not knowing what "quod erat demonstrandum" means.

Also, did you delete this post once just so you could add 'qed' to the end? It's "Q.E.D.," incidentally.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

The easiest way to deal with a bear in downtown Baltimore is to tell them you aren't into large, hairy dudes.