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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm only aware of this scene. What others are there? Stamets misgenders them at 0:09 and they're done with the scene around 0:48, so you're right, it was about 40 whole seconds.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am frequently just... astonished to be honest, how often it's repeated that it was a "major plot arc" or "multiple scenes" when it was, (as you pointed out) so brief. And it doesn't ever seem to sway anyone's opinion when this fact is pointed out!

"They made an entire episode about nonbinary people"

"The one in TNG?"

"No, Discovery"

"There was a single 40 second scene"

"Are you trolling? It was shoved down our throats"

[–] inverted_deflector@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Its funny because while we gloss over it today, this is how shocking uhara just being on the bridge was to people, or the shatner kiss. Like people were still being murdered and lynched for interracial relationships and even in northern cities we had red lining and racial violence. The big trans arc is a minor scene. With a person who also literally and unsubtly has memories of being MULTIPLE sexes and genders.

Its so shocking for some people it stands out. Even if they arent overt bigots being exposed to it rubs them a certain way.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Yes exactly! I am reminded of this TikTok if you haven't seen it yet.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I kind of get where some people are coming from if they're (in good faith) saying that by that time Adira should just be matter-of-factly correctly Stamets rather than acting uncomfortable, but here's the thing: the show might take place in the future, but it was made in 2020. Star Trek has always addressed the social issues of its time in a way that plays to the audience.

And hell, plenty of people are uncomfortable correcting others in general, regardless of the reason.

[–] WilloftheWest@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

You know you’re never going to get any hard evidence other than surface-level stuff that they can get from their bigot blogs, because bigots hate actually engaging with media.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

YouTube is a big part of it too. I sometimes wonder how many people skip the episode and go straight for the rage bait.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I do know. But I think it's worth calling out the absurdity regardless.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For the sake of argument (and I don't care enough to go digging), let's say it was no more than 40 seconds, but you didn't respond to the rest of my comment so I'll assume you're in agreement.

[–] Jaccident@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe they didn’t respond to the second half of the comment because, even though they had just corrected your pronoun misuse, you did it right away again.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You assume incorrectly. So in conclusion, a 40 second scene is the show "focusing too much on they/them 'nonsense,'" since it's the only part that addresses it.