Isn't it amazing how detached people can be from the real-world effects of their thoughts and beliefs, so long as they don't get to personally experience their impact?

[–] Crunkle_Foreskin@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've personally experienced a universal healthcare system and its effects. It killed a family member and almost killed me.

Sorry for that guy's experiences, but the sort of things he went through are systems and programmes you'd get in most governments throughout the whole political landscape.

[–] whoami@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is the view that this wouldn't have happened under private healthcare predicated on something in particular? It's not like private healthcare is somehow fundamentally immune to malpractice.

[–] mace@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

it’s one step away from a toilet paper usa astroturfing bit

[–] Crunkle_Foreskin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In the UK where there's universal healthcare, we had Dr. Harold Shipman who murdered a lot, and a current court case with Lucy Letby who killed 8 newborns. Malpractice happens in every system regardless of how it's funded.

Probably not the place for a discussion about healthcare systems on a meme shitpost thread, but I do think there's better alternatives to universal healthcare where standards usually drop for everybody. Obviously, there's some godawful private systems too, just look at America.

[–] mace@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

nice anecdotes. the data say more socialized systems have better performance overall, time and time again.

i would link you, but being a smart conservative, i’m sure you know the googles and how to separate emotional arguments and facebook memes from reporting on data-driven studies.

[–] whoami@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I'll note that it's extremely hard to vet for that sort of behaviour in doctors and preempt the cases you've described from happening - they could have just as easily happened under private healthcare.

[–] 00@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

but I do think there's better alternatives to universal healthcare where standards usually drop for everybody.

Citations needed

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having lived in two countries with universal health care and in the states I can safely say you are full of shit and the American system only works if you have a ton of money.

One of my good friends got fired after being diagnosed with cancer and because she made over the amount for Medicare already she was out of pocket until the next year.

That’s a cruel system where you buy your way into the line.

[–] Crunkle_Foreskin@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I totally agree, the American system is awful. Germany, on the other hand, has the most beds per person in the G7. Fully insurance driven.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

89% of Germans are covered by public health insurance funds, with 11% covered by private health insurance.

Both public and private systems are currently struggling due to inflation.

[–] PostmodernPythia@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

And how many people in your country have medical debt, which can stretch into hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars? As someone who’s got extensive experience with a decent tier of US healthcare, it blows, and this system is perfectly capable of fucking up and killing people. People with national healthcare who don’t appreciate it) like British Conservatives, which I’d guess from spelling and syntax is what you are) have no fucking idea. You have never seen someone coughing up blood not go to the doctor because of what it would cost, only for you to make her go to the emergency room, which you know coukd ruin her life, because you thought she might die. I have, with a friend in college. She turned out ok, but plenty don’t. Obamacare marginally improved things, but if you haven’t dealt with a for-profit health system, then you should be spending more time listening before assuming it’s better than yours.

[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

Oh, a liar defending conservatives? How boring.

[–] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 13 points 1 year ago

my grandpa died because of the inadequacy of my country's public healthcare system. i'm still not gonna advocate for the privatization of healthcare, because yes, private healthcare exists too, guess what, it doesn't apply to everyone (and didn't happen to apply to my grandpa). that's quite literally the point of making it private and paywalled, if you don't or can't pay up, you're shit out of luck.

universal healthcare isn't perfect, but it's still better to provide it than to not do so. especially since if you know how the free market works, you should also know that if either supply or demand is inflexible that leads to market exploitation, and demand is static without a government baseline. if people receive universal healthcare, then private options can still exist, but using them is an option, not an imperative, and therefore the market can actually do its thing.

same goes for other issues like housing. why do you think the prices are skyrocketing? you can say no to, idk, a tv, and just watch shit on your phone instead, so tv prices are sane, but if you say no to housing means you'll live on the street. some people do try that, which is why van life is so frickin popular lately, but for the most part, the demand for housing is the same no matter what the supply side does, so it will just skyrocket. the invisible hand can't work if you tie one of the hands.

[–] feck_it@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

So they shouldn't want better life conditions for themselves? You don't want any improvment for even yourself? Please tell me you are a troll or a bot.