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[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden is probably as bad as trump in very different ways...

"probably"?

So, you don't have a basis for comparison, but you feel like it's probably true?

Can you articulate your reasoning a little better?

[–] licherally@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes. I do have a basis for comparison, and I'm happy to provide my thinking.

Biden is currently supporting a genocide in Palestine and a bombing campaign in Yemen. There is a strong islamophobic slant in the current cabinet.

Biden is a career politician. He knows precisely what he needs to publicize and what he needs to bury. He also generally has more social capital in government.

Trump is a racist and a fascist, but most people in government also think he's a fucking moron. He also literally cannot keep a single thing a secret. He also would likely support the same genocide and bombing campaign that Biden is currently enacting.

Trump is worse in the sense that his beliefs and followers hold a collective single braincell, and that braincell is focused on being racist and generally bigoted. But with that said, there is no real way that he can remove the term limit for the presidency. It's just not really within his power.

Biden is worse in the sense that he has spent an entire career smoothly enacting imperialist policies, some of which were also pretty racist and bigoted. But he also knows what to say and what to do to make people forget about them, not to mention that both of them are old as fuck and show signs of actual senility.

Ultimately I guess Biden is less terrifying for us in the United States, but unfortunately this election doesn't just affect the United States.

I guess it's easy for people to forget about the cost of removing our troops in Afghanistan the way that we did, and how we judge Obama so harshly for the drone strikes that Biden is doing now in larger numbers.

I do want to say that Biden has done some good things. The student loan forgiveness is not at the level that was promised during his previous campaign, but it is relieving the financial burden for many people. He also stopped the construction of the keystone pipeline which is obviously a win for climate change activists all over. And yes, he did remove the troops from Afghanistan which needed to happen twenty+ years ago, even if maybe it could have been done in a better way so as to not leave a huge power vacuum. But trump also did a few good things in his presidency.

His tax tariffs were very effective, the COVID support plan and operation light speed were both very effective and helped millions of Americans through a pandemic. He also accidentally bolstered the strength and support of Obamacare. Not really his intention, but I still consider it a positive.

I want to clarify that I am a leftist, I do not in any way support trump. I will not be voting for trump at all. My reason for thinking through all of this is to say whether I want Biden to win at all, or if I will just vote on everything but the president.

[–] lingh0e@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

I appreciate the thoughtful response, but it sounds like your initial premise of "biden is probably as bad as Trump" is based on pretty shakey logic. Biden may be a career politician, but he's still better than Trump in every conceivable metric.