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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most Israelis agree with their governments crimes. Most Israelis are racist and supremacists. I recommend you listen to Gideon Levy here https://youtu.be/3EtNFXL_ykg

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Even if so though, this just perpetuates the problem. This is why the conflict won't stop.

Most of Group A thinks that most of Group B are supremacists, and condones the killing of B. The members of B who aren't supremacists and are killed anyway by association see all of Group A as supremacists who want them dead, so they condone the killing of A, even those that disagree and don't think that all of B are supremacists.

This isn't going to stop until people see each other as individuals. They'll create justifications to kill each other until one of them ceases to exist. It falls on Israel to seek reconciliation, or this violence is just going to keep going.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There were multiple peace offers by the Arabs, such as the Arab Peace Initiative 22 years ago. Israel has always rejected a two-state solution.

Do you think the Irish should have given up on fighting for freedom?

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just to be clear, we both agree that Israel is the one causing the problem here, and the one that holds all the cards.

And unless I'm mistaken, that peace initiative did have a prominent Israeli figure there supporting a two state solution, right? I thought this was when Netanyahu boosted Hamas initially to kill the two state talks and literally kill that Israeli negotiator.

My point is that we need Israelis like them. There can be no peaceful resolution unless Israelis want peace -- or, at least, want the fighting to stop. That's what happened with the Irish, isn't it? They didn't physically defeat the UK army.

Do you see what I'm saying? Even if most Israelis are supremacists, our enemy is not all Israelis. If we blindly kill people based on their countrymen the only solution left is total annihilation.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." It is really up to Israel, and unfortunately every illegal settlement, every blockade, every arrest and assassination, is prove that they are forcing Palestinians to choose the latter.

Ideally there would be either a 2-state solution or a 1 democratic state for both people. Both scenarios are unpopular in Israel.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

We need to boost Israelis who support those solutions. They may be unpopular, but we need to change that to have a peaceful resolution. The Israeli government's failure to stop the Hamas attack creates an opportunity for us to convince Israelis they need to make peace if they don't want this to continue.

Plus, I don't think Israelis are being told the whole picture. Hamas and Netanyahu both want the fighting to continue, and they'll tell selective truths to make that happen. I read a great article that talked about how Palestinians were lied to and made to believe that a prison had been taken down -- so they were celebrating in the streets and having parades. The Palestinians didn't know about the innocents that were killed and kidnapped. This footage was shown by Israeli news media without context, which made many think the Palestinians were celebrating the death of innocents.

First and foremost, we need to win the information war. We can't let either of them continue to be misled like this.

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