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Russian President Vladimir Putin's military on Friday launched what's been called the largest aerial attack of the Ukraine war, and one economic-focused Ukrainian outlet estimated the cost of the assault for Russia to be at least $1.273 billion.

The figure was calculated by Ekonomichna Pravda (Economic Truth), which tallied the prices of the drones and missiles the Ukrainian Air Force reported Russia used during the massive assault.

The Associated Press (AP), citing Ukrainian officials, said at least 30 civilians were killed in the strikes that took place across the country—including on the capital Kyiv—and at least 144 people were wounded. The AP reported Russia used 122 missiles and dozens of drones in what was a bombardment that lasted around 18 hours. Officials said a maternity hospital, schools and residential apartments were among the structures damaged.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago (3 children)

at least 30 civilians were killed
a bombardment that lasted around 18 hours.

This is outrageous, why are we (the west) letting Russia get away with this? Everybody that helps Russia in their illegal and immoral invasion must be punished. We need to do more.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 39 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Wait until you hear what the West is allowing Israel to get away with.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes that's outrageous too, but it's not a European security problem the same way Russia is. That said, I am so sick of our politicians defending and even supporting Israel.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel has proven that they're willing to invade lands that they do not own under the guise of divine birthright. They are slaughtering innocent children. They are executing innocent civilians. They're openly executing the hostages they supposedly want to save. They are insanely well funded, have an espionage agency that is world renowned and (again) have proven that they are willing to commit war crimes to exterminate a group of people they do not like.

I'm sorry my guy but that seems like a pretty big security problem brewing given that they're using the fucking Nazi playbook.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes it's a security problem, but not remotely close to the security problem Russia poses to Europe.
The middle east is mostly a security problem for Europe in the form of refugees.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

How antisemitic of you.

[–] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If Russia did not have nuclear capabilities we would have invaded Russia about a week after they invaded Ukraine and by now we would be well into the war crimes trial of putin.

The west can't get pulled into direct conflict with putin because we would win. Handedly. And putin would inevitably deploy his nukes as his situation became more desperate. We would have to respond in kind and that's the ballgame.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That is true, but we could still do more than we do. The west has been holding off on military aid to Ukraine, we have held back on F16 and long range missiles. That would help Ukraine tremendously against the attacks from Russia.
Also just my own country, there are 2 very well known companies that are still doing business in Russia. Only recently bans were made against Russian kaviar and diamonds. Why do we not have a total trade blockade. We could also do more to pressure Iran, China and India to not help Russia.
All democracies need to stand together when a democracy is attacked by a totalitarian regime, despite Ukraine and the west did a lot to appease Russia. Add to that constant threats by Russia, to attack Europe with nukes, and invade EU (Baltics) when they are done with Ukraine. They probably also plan to take Georgia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. We absolutely 100% need to take this way more seriously.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US has a far-right Nazi aligned problem party called the Republicans that keep it from properly helping Ukraine.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Still even when there was a clear majority for aid, the aid was held back on important tactical equipment.
But unfortunately the Republicans are traitors who support the obvious traitor Trump and his policies of supporting Russia, despite it's so very clearly against American interests.
So called "moderate" republicans like Mitt Romney, still support the policies that prevent aid to Ukraine, and thereby help Russia. So basically all republicans are traitors against USA and very much traitors against democracy in general. Which has always been a key value for USA since their independence.
It's vary hard seeing that here from Europe, that USA support for democracy is declining like it is.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

it has nothing to do with nukes, it's all about money.. there are wealthy people in the US and Germany and other places who don't want Russia to lose..

[–] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nah see you've got it wrong. You are correct that things happen or don't happen based entirely on the wealth that is generated for select people. But the people who would benefit from the domination and removal of Russia easily outbid the people who would benefit from their success. The major companies that are already making insane money sending weapons to Ukraine would be happy to see a ground war kick off into Russia. Yeah there's some right wing grifters that are pro Russia but they're small potatoes. The money Russia is throwing around is a fraction of a percent of the money that nato aligned arms manufacturers and whatnot are throwing around.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

tiny amounts like you are talking about are important in a failing economy like Russia, but not elsewhere.. i'm talking about real money..

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Those are rookie numbers for civilian casualties. Gotta pump those numbers up.

Sincerely, Israel

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yeah, especially for $1+ Billion, not a really good return on investment, that’s like $30+ million a person, they really need to streamline their civilian liquidation procedures. They should really consider getting American-made weapons for operations like that.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True, there ought to be Western intervention, but instead we are helping Israel. But as bad as that is, it is not a security problem for Europe in nearly the same way Russia is.
I have no solution to the Israel/Gaza problem, and I am not sure we are supporting the right side.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is no right side anymore. israel had the moral backing at first, then they became even worse than hamas.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Israel were always as bad or worse than Hamas, and Israel are the ones with the power to change things for the better. The Palestinians live like in an occupied territory, where they are oppressed and discriminated against in their own territory.
We cannot say Palestinians are the bad guys, when thy never had a chance to build a normal life.

[–] Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

So noobs! Israel killed 100 on christmas night alone.