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  • Russia confirmed a Ukrainian missile attack damaged one of its Black Sea Fleet warships.

  • But Russian officials have said that only one person was killed.

  • Independent Russian media suggests dozens may be dead.

The damage to a Russian warship appears much worse than the Kremlin is willing to acknowledge.

The Russian navy's landing vessel Novocherkassk — part of its Black Sea Fleet — was hit in a Ukrainian attack on a port in Russian-held Crimea, officials said Tuesday.

While the Kremlin-appointed governor there has said the ship was damaged and one person was killed, video and media reports paint a much-darker picture.

Images of a massive explosion at a dock in Feodosia spread on social media. Reporters and open-source intelligence channels posted photos showing smoldering wreckage at the pier, backing up Ukraine's claim that long-range missiles triggered a massive explosion that blew up the ship.

Independent Russian media is also questioning the stated death toll.

Astra, a Telegram channel sharing Russian news from independent journalists, reported there were 77 sailors aboard the Novocherkassk at the time of the Ukrainian attack; this class of ship typically has a crew size of about 100.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The USA didn't lose Vietnam because we couldn't win it. We lost it because we weren't trying to win the war, we were trying to occupy Vietnam. This war is totally different, it's a country fighting for it's land.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This war is totally different, it’s a country fighting for it’s land.

You could make the same claim for the Russia, that it is considers that land its own and it is fighting for it. Ultimately, yes, this is a different war but my point is that kill ratio isnt always indicative of who is winning.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How many russians see Ukraine as their home vs want it because daddy putin says it belongs to russia?

[–] NIB@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean ultimately, thats how wars are.

The existence of your people or not in an area should not be relevant. If it is relevant, that only leads to genocide and ethnic cleansing. Because noone would want to have a potential casus belli in their land, so they would eliminate all those that would enable something like that.

There are 2 kinds of countries in the world. Those who are satisfied with the current status quo and those who arent. The US, EU, etc are satisfied with the current status quo. Russia, China, Turkey, Venezuela, etc arent. They have issues and they think the current status quo is unfair. And they have irredentist views.

Why would you "freeze" the borders as they are now and not as they were 20 years ago, or 100 years ago or 500 years ago. What i am saying is that India is part of Greece, as per Indo-Greek kingdom of 2000 years ago.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Are...are you making a point that crimea is russian?