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The problematic part starts when you ask what should happen to all the Israelis. Maybe they want a one-state solution, which is fine, but quite often they want a genocide or ethnic cleansing of Jews in order to make space.
Both the actual antisemites (of both white and Arab flavours) and the Zionists want to blur the fact that there's two ways that could be meant. It's really amazing how well people who hate each other can end up coordinating. See also Netanyahu and Hamas.
I wish everyone knew about this, and that it was widely reported. Netanyahu has been supporting Hamas (insane terrorists) for decades, and ignoring the PA who want a negotiated peace. He has been deliberately stoking the fires on both sides of the conflict, so he can commit genocide in retaliation.
Check this out: this guy here is Netanyahus grandpa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Mileikowsky
He is credited with helping start the far right revisionist Zionism movement, which preaches expansionism and use of force https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Zionism
Further into that article you will read the Netanyahus grandpa was directly involved in the assassination of this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haim_Arlosoroff
Arlosoroff was a very popular socialist Zionist leader who preached pacifism and coexistence with the Arab population.
Netanyahus family and his ilk not only altered the original purpose of Zionism, hence the name “revisionist Zionism”, but permanently changed Israel’s history and led them down a path of violence.
Well, at least he's keeping his grandpa's legacy going, by appointing a convicted terrorist who was also involved in the assassination of Rabin to minister of security.
The Jewish history definately complicates the conflict.
We don't have the same discussions about Shai/Sunni conflict in Yemen, or Russia/Ukrainian conflict in Ukraine, or all the ethnic groups in Myanmar, or the Ethiopian-Tigray conflict, or non-arabs in Dafur/Sudan, or the host ongoing Al-Qaeda/ISIS conflicts.
Yeah, Russia/Ukraine tends to be painted with an ideological brush, and all the rest are just ignored.
Stop and correlate skin colours for a moment, if you would.
Where the Holocaust comes in, is that Israel still has American support, while they bailed on South Africa in the 80's, because they can pretend the favouritism is about something else.
For anyone outside the West reading, most Western people don't know they're doing this, we just imagine we live in a magical bubble where nothing bad happens, and only react when something looks like it's breaking it. I'll leave it to you if that's a good excuse.
Good thing we haven't and don't do anything like that in Canada. Like coerced sterilization of indeginous women until 2018.
I've lived in Israel and Lebanon, though young at the time. The conflict isn't an easy one with an "X group is correct/more correct" solution. Both groups have very legitimate grievances, have been genocided, and have done shit things to each other
100% agree.
Come to think of it, Native people fall outside the bubble for the most part themselves. Some of those reservations might as well be in a cold version of Africa, and I've only seen them on TV.
What does "a cold version of Africa" mean? Are you talking about distance, or some other factor?
Bad conditions. No drinking water, unsuitable structures, things like that. And all fairly invisible to white people, because they might be remote, or just not a place we ever need to go.