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Israel drove suitcases stuffed with cash into Gaza to keep Hamas in power
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this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2023
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It's from the U.S. tyranny playbook: Allow a tragedy to happen, and then you get the support of the people to do whatever it takes to stop terrorism such as Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
This is every colonizer's playbook: you make constant small incursions, then when the people finally push back, you use it as an excuse to wipe them out and take the land.
I understand you are not implying that pearl harbour and 9/11 where inside jobs.
I think, you just referencing to the public support that followed those events. Right?
Theres some who think the mistakes of Pearl Harbor wasn't anything but incompetence/human error.
Not inside jobs necessarily but both events had credible foreknowledge of an imminent attack that wasn’t acted upon.
It was hubris and arrogance and incompetence.
You know false positives exist right?
Hamas also had credible foreknowledge that Israel would start fucking them and everything near them up if they committed an incredibly successful terrorist strike. That didn't seem to deter them.
Of course not. Hamas isn't responsible for israel's genocide. If anything the israeli response has shown the world just how much of a Nazi state israel truly is.
Yes, I agree (although it's war, not a genocide). In the same logic, the foreknowledge that Israel had about Hamas's strike does not make Hamas's strike Israel's fault.
Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one even if you reject the notion of «genocide».
And before you go for the “intent” get out of jail free card…
Israel’s Public Diplomacy Minister: "Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil.
Gaza should be erased!"
Still questioning a genocidal intent?
How about Bibi Netanyahu saying “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, “human animals” as he ordered a “complete siege” on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity.
Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza “with the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses,” and toldChannel 14 in Israel on Monday that “there is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists.”
Earlier this year, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said at an event in Paris, “There’s no such thing as Palestinians because there’s no such thing as a Palestinian people.” He also said the West Bank town of Huwara should be “wiped out” by “the state of Israel,” while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map of what he called “The New Middle East”—without the illegally occupied West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalem—at the United Nations General Assembly just weeks before the onslaught in Gaza began.
Sure seems like a pattern of intent. I could find you that video of Bibi back in 2002 saying much the same if you like. This isn’t new.
Not to say the Israeli isn't 110% shit but the 'bingo card' you present remains completely empty. Sure they'd like all Gazans to flee to Egypt but anyone calling this a genocide just hasn't seen a real genocide yet
No, not inside jobs, but not dealt with appropriately so as to get America involved or to pass the patriot act. We know for a fact that the CIA was still trying to flip one of the terrorist pilots the day of.
He is a conspiracy nut
No, not at all, but I understand new facts can change upheld beliefs.
What facts do you have that Jewish people allowed Oct 7 to happen?
Or even the american government allowing 9/11?
The Saudis are US allies. They did 911. Yet we remain allies. It doesn't mean we 'did it' through them. But it's suspect and deserves consideration.
A closer inspection already showed it was rogue saudi elements and a combination of arrogant, incompetent analysts during a transition period of presidencies.
You should give that consideration.
The New York times did a few pieces on it at the beginning of Dec.
"Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago.
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings." https://archive.ph/SDOlU
Yeah, them dismissing it was a mistake. They thought it was BS.
They get a lot of threats. Some will be false positives or false negatives.
Doesnt mean they wanted or allowed the attack to happen. Ffs this entire thread is full of brain dead communists or some shit
Communist?
I do not think it means what you think it means.
What do you think the ml means in lemmy?
Conspiracy theories and antisemitism go hand in hand.
Case in point right here.
I don't understand how this is antisemitism
The belief that israel allowed hamas to attack them to take Palestinian land is anti semitic as fuck.
It has no basis in any available evidence. Israeli people were pissed at the incompetence of the government.
The only reason to peddle this lie is to propagate the belief of that Israel has no right to protect its Jewish citizens that Hamas wants to massacre.
I am not against Jewish people, but Netanyahu. There's a difference.
And you even stated the people.were.pissed off over the incompetence of the government. So, it's almost as if the government should have done better than they actually did.
So are you, in the context of this thread, under the belief that is a conspiracy to allow Hamas to do oct 7 in order for Jewish people to take Palestinian land? Despite that conspiracy theory having no evidence?
It is not nust Netanyahu trying to rescue the hostages. It is israelis too.
You keep saying no evidence but you clearly haven't even tried google since the New York Times shows up pretty easily.
I already replied to this brainless line of thought. Scroll up when you get the reading comprehension.
You replied by calling people communist for some reason. Yet you claim we are brainless?
How about you try again, and this time think about your words a bit so they make a little sense.
What do you think the ml in lemmy stands for? Look at where people I reply to comment. What is the current trend online?
Seems like I gave it more thought than you did.
No I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you think communist means.
I will give you an actual answer if you answer this question:
Do you deny that the vast amount of support that hamas is getting western online comes from dsa, progressives, tankies, communists and socialists?
It comes from people that haven't bought the Zionist line, don't accept Israeli propaganda at face value or that have eyes and can see what is happening in Gaza. The rest is your personal bias getting in the way. This is evidenced by your desire to call any disagreement anti-Semitism to quell discussion. Being anti-Israel bombing the shit out of Gaza is not anti-Semitism and if you cannot see that distinction you are pointless to talk to. That you see support for Palestinians as support for Hamas is another glaring Blindspot you seem to have.
Stop using anti-Semitism as a cudgel when you cannot defend the indefensible, it is gross.
You didnt answer the question, when it is clear that is mostly a progressive left issue. If you wont be honest, then i dont have to engage in good faith either.
But I give the answer nonetheless.
It used to be someone that supported labourer rights and owning the means of production.
Now, it refers to all the idiots polluting, by association, actual, valid leftists movements via supporting terrorists. Yall are hurting our efforts for climate change, police reform, immigration reform, etc, by making everyone else think we support terrorists.
I agree that being anti zionist is not anti semitism. But so many progressives are also just targetting jews for being jews and refuse to admit that the hamas goal is genocide of jewish people in totality.
I never said support for palestine is support for hamas. But yall refuse to admit there is no path forward for palestine without the eradication of hamas
No I'd didn't answer your intentionally biased framing of your question the way you wanted. And then you say I'm being dishonest. I'm done with you. You are just a hypocrite and genocide apologist and not worth the time to deal with. Fuck off.
There is no genocide. Palestinian population has been growing 3% every year for the past decade.
I don't fault anyone for being born, but I fault them for what they do with life. I am not against Jewish people, but Netanyahu's regime. I do not support HAMAS, but the Palestinian people who, along with ethnic jews, are being exterminated. Nuance. Fine details.
Do you believe jewish people conspired to let hamas attack on oct 7 in order to take Palestinians land? Despite no evidence?
If you do, that is anti semitic.
Israel was built for European immigrants. They're not Semitic. Arabs are.
There's jews that lived ther, jews that migrated from Europe, and jews that came from the Ottoman states and the Middle East to escape discrimiation under islamic regimes. Descendants of the latter group being the largest today iirc
Dna sequencing shows that the Y chromosome from israelis is much closer to other middle easterners and jews that never left the middle east than any europeans.
This is an anti semitic lie that you peddle. The jews in israel rn have always been middle eastern.