You’re not wrong that we should be able to critique everyone in government, but that’s not what people are taking issue with so it’s not really the problem. You’re kind of omitting the second half. “Both sides are the same, so it doesn’t make a difference what I do/I’ll just keep voting the way I have/I won’t vote because it doesn’t matter.”

I just don’t understand how “both sides are the same” could possibly hold any water after Roe was repealed. That’s evidence enough to the contrary, but people are far more concerned with sounding like they are “above the fray” and being perceived as big brain skeptics (even if they are uninformed on the issues) so they repeat it anyway. That or they are still voting MAGA and want to create a false equivalency.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The meme doesn't show that second half, 2. I show sympathy with that viewpoint in my first comment. Support the lesser evil but still call it an evil.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yes I got what you were saying, but the problem is it’s obfuscating the issue. You are claiming that people who reject “both sides“ are rejecting critiques of the party they support. I am saying that is not true and it’s not even the core issue at hand - which this meme is directed at, mind you.

“Both sides aren’t the same” isn’t “I’m with the good guys.” It’s “the two parties are not doing the same things so stop pretending they are.” See: Roe.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not too much into American politics so I guess I didn't get the context

[–] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 0 points 11 months ago

I don't understand how "both sides are the same" could possibly hold any water after roe was appealed.

Well it's a good thing the electorate voted largely democratic after Trump so that could get fixed!

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It comes down to this, I know Biden is supporting killing innocent children in Palestine.

We can roll back policies that dumb fucker trump might try because people will still be alive.

We might need another trump presidency to show people that they need to do more than support genocide supporting candidates.

Maybe if it gets bad enough the rest of you will join us in not accepting shitty candidates as good enough.

They say you get less radical as you get older, but the older I get, the more I think it’s time to let the system burn and try again.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry but “Trump will shake things up and get us to do something” is an absurd take and doesn’t give us the right to unleash what we know will happen to marginalized groups in this country. Especially when bringing him on isn’t going to stop what is going on in Israel and Palestine. If anything, it will make things worse.

Unless you think Trump is going to help innocents in Palestine, frankly, the argument doesn’t hold any water. And if you do believe that, well… I’m not really sure what to say.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, it’s not something I am hoping for, just the potential of a silver lining.

I don’t think trump will help anyone.

What I do see is so many people who are worried about people’s rights, and then continue supporting someone who doesn’t support an innocent persons right to live.

It makes it really hard for me to feel for someone who is worried about not being able to dress or be called by the pronoun that the feel matches their gender, none of which is throwing trans/ace/ other minority under the bus.

I use it as an example to point out the hypocrisy.

I am sure it is horrible to people who have to deal with that, but being killed is irreversible.

I know that trans people are more likely to commit suicide and all that, just using this as a parallel.

If we are this worried about the potential harms created by a trump presidency, shouldn’t we hold Biden to a higher standard?

I’m sure this will rub people the wrong way so please feel free to ask for clarification if you actually want to have a discussion about the topic.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Just because I voted for Biden does not mean I don’t care about an innocent person’s - or any person’s for that matter - right to live. That is a cruel accusation to levy at someone.

You’re acting like we all have a concrete say in every issue of domestic and foreign policy. The reality is we all have a very small piece of the puzzle that allows us to move the needle in small ways. It’s glacial and frustrating and kind of the point, for better or for worse. The problem with your comment is you are equating voting against Trump, i.e. voting for the Democrats, with not caring about innocent people dying abroad. I think I don’t need to explain to you why that’s not really a fair take, anymore than I can say you hate the planet and want it to burn for ever getting on an airplane or in a car.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You could stand with me and say no to Biden and make them run a better candidate, you are choosing to allow it by not standing against, or at least by not supporting the standard he has laid.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

I did not vote for Biden in the primary last time and I will not be voting for him in the primary this time. Do not presume to know how I am going to vote. We are clearly talking about the general election, however, and it is safe to assume it will be Biden vs. Trump at this stage.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

2023 centrism in a nutshell. "I don't like Biden so I vote to give Trump the dictatorship he so craves backed by the scotus he rigged his way into so we'll never have a choice again"

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 1 points 11 months ago

You don't understand basic game theory.