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American Israeli Exceptionalism (beehaw.org)

submitted 11 months ago by TheSean@beehaw.org to c/humor@beehaw.org

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That is an outrageous claim that requires hard evidence. So far, the only ones I’ve seen spread it are Hamas. Where on Earth did you pick it up?

Yeah it's a thing. You can find it if you look it up, but there.

To elaborate on the "intentionally" thing, after the attack itself Hamas soldiers holed up in Israeli homes with the hostages, thinking they'd be able to retreat because of course Israel wouldn't bomb them. Then the IDF bombed Hamas along with the hostages. You'll find this in the article, but just to sum up.

I'm honestly surprised you haven't heard of this; I thought it would be common knowledge on this site by now.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mondoweiss literally cites Electronic Intifada as one of their sources. That is an unbelievably unreliable and biased source.

Even this article however does at no point support your claim that Israel intentionally killed their own people.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most recently, Nir Hasson returned to Be’eri and interviewed a local resident named Tuval, who was lucky to be away from the kibbutz at the time of the attack but whose partner was killed. In Hasson’s October 20 Haaretz article, he reports:

“His voice trembles when his partner, who was besieged in her home shelter at the time, comes to mind. According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz. The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri people were killed. Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

I guess you can verify from the Haaretz article whether this is correct or not.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where in all of this is the IDF intentionally killing their own people? You have not provided anything that supports this claim.

Why on Earth would they be doing that in the first place? That would be comic book level of evil, just utterly absurd for the conscription army of a democracy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They bombed Hamas soldiers who were holing up in hostages' homes. Intentionally.

According to him, only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions — including shelling houses with all their occupants inside in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages — did the IDF complete the takeover of the kibbutz.

[–] imalemmy@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Jesus you don't even hear your own point moving a million miles an hour do you?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

This is exactly what I said at first. The hostages were in their homes when they were bombed, if that part wasn't clear.