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[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

I personally believe that no discrimination against people based on religion, race, color of skin is appropriate. So I believe that any islamophobic symbol is incorrect.

However, same rule applies to the other side. No islamic minorities should show symbols which could be disrespectful towards different people.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't see how someone burning a copy of a book that they paid for themselves is discrimination. It is criticism and protest, but not discriminatory. It isn't denying anyone else's access to the words in the book. It's just making a political statement.

Ideas should always be allowed to be criticized. Inanimate objects shouldn't be given human rights.

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

So the general issue why burning such a copy should be considered incorrect is the fact that Quran, apart from being just another book, is a symbol of Islamic religion. Hence why it appears offensive to Muslims. Same logic applies to other symbols. Do you think it’s absolutely okay to come to a square and burn LGBTI or BLM flags. If you were a gay and saw someone else burning a rainbow flag, would you feel safe at such place?

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

I will always support someone's right to burn an inanimate object that they own themselves. I would think that person is an asshole, but would not feel threatened by it in anyway. I am what those BLM flag burners would consider a POC.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

You're bing purposefully obtuse. This does not stop criticism of Islam or the Quaran, or making political statements about Islam.

It is banning an act that has been very specifically used with the intent of inciting hatred.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Oh no, some neckbeard American called me a coward. However will I cope 🤣

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Personal attack last refuge of someone without an argument

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah I totally agree. You would have to have no actual argument to resort to calling someone a coward for not being a freeze peach fetishist.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I accurately described cowardly actions as cowardly.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

And I accurately described neckbeardly actions as coming from a neckbeard. Now skiddadle back to /r/atheism where you belong.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

All the personal attacks won't shore up your argument for skydaddy appeasement.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

:o you called a god I don't believe in from a religion I don't respect "skyadaddy" you're the ultimate combination of edginess, wit and comedy XD

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bullshit. No way you aren't a devout theist. Probably even got baptized and everything.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

The only "religion" I'm part of is the Satanic Temple. But yeah keep saying I'm a theist and hopefully you'll convince yourself it's true and you can add another tally to your "Internet arguments won" board and your mom will bring you extra tendies tonight.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

You don't understand because you're not Islamic.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I am an aethist who was raised in an Islamic family, so I think I understand better than most.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world -2 points 9 months ago

As you admit, youre not Islamic

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

As you lied you are not an atheist

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Why do you even bother discussing things with people if you're just going to make up what you think they believe?

[-] samokosik@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I would not necessarily say it’s because people don’t understand Muslims. I myself have nothing in common with Muslims, as well.

More likely the case is that there are 2 approaches to free speech. First one advocates for absolute free speech whilst the second is more aligned with "my liberty ends where yours begins" phrase.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world -1 points 9 months ago

I agree with you that we can contrast absolute free speech with a view that considers the effects we have on others. I'm all for the latter approach while I find the former infantile. I do still believe that not being islamic is an issue here. I don't tell Christians how to feel about their faith because I am not one. I expect others to extend the same consideration to Muslims.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I personally believe that no discrimination against people based on religion, race, color of skin is appropriate

One of these things is not like the other ones. People choose their religion, or at very least the indoctrinated choose to stay in it. People don't choose their race or color.

It is absolutely legitimate to discriminate against people because of absurd ideas they hold. If an adult told me they literally believed in Santa Claus, or that the skull God needs skulls for the skull throne, I might think less of them.

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