That's because the COBOL OGs are retired/ing and the industry has been training young people telling them "yeah, sorry, this is all we can pay you". Here in Europe, they'll take unemployed people from a different industry, put them on a training course, and bang! you've got a grateful new dev who doesn't know how much they are worth.
You just gotta keep spreading the message. I keep happily sharing my salary, especially with younger, less experienced devs, so we can all win better.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

programmers desperately need to unionize

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For real. Even just talking to your fellow coding monkeys helps. It's ironic that for example here in France, despite all our workers rights and revolutionary tradition, speaking about your salary is still a social faux-pas. And who benefits? Certainly not us.

[–] andioop@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

I'd understanding actively pressuring someone to share their salary being a faux-pas. Admittedly, just sharing your own may make some people feel pressured to share theirs out of reciprocity, but just sharing your own salary generates nowhere near the same amount of pressure as outright telling someone "share your salary or you're a bad person on the side of The Man!"

I hope the amount of people sharing their salary increases and talking about it becomes normalized.

[–] cocobean@bookwormstory.social 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

A surprising number of people don't know about levels.fyi

Go to levels.fyi, find some companies and compare at your level. For a long time I was like "ain't no way these numbers are accurate, people are getting paid that much?" YES THE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE; your company's excuses for a shitty raise this year ("blah blah market conditions, blah blah you are already on the upper end of your band, let's work on a promotion next year") are bullshit.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wish they would include the "non-professional" professions. I bet I could have gotten a better pay as a chef if I had any idea what other chefs made at the time.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does Glass Door have non-office jobs listed? I haven't looked on there in quite a while but it was the same idea in a more general sense.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I don't know. They want me to sign up before I'm allowed to look at anything.

[–] portside@monyet.cc 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sadly this doesn't include my profession (Industrial Automation). Do you know of other alternatives?

[–] cocobean@bookwormstory.social 1 points 11 months ago

You could try Glassdoor, but my understanding is that it's not as accurate as levels.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man I'd swim to Europe if some company wants to swoop me up and train me for something that valuable lol here in the States I have to not only pay for the training out the nose, but also find the time to do that while still working my regular job lol

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Well, you could do like many US people and visit Ireland, I suppose :)