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[–] Talaraine@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You're right. When times got hard, the dog became dinner.

I raised all my own food for a few years and fully understand the horror of having to kill to eat. It's never pretty, despite all the arguments I can make about health of the herd, culling only the weak, and giving them the best lives they could hope for.

I find the vegan arguments weak, though too. Every day we are discovering new levels of feelings and intelligence in life and that goes down to plants, too. It's a harsh reality that in order to exist, you must make something else not exist... and unless we change something dramatically it's never going away.

All this is why I'm cautiously optimistic about lab grown meat. It could turn this whole thing on its head.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Bring plant-based seems to result in much less overall pain. How so?

About 10% net energy goes between stages of the food ladder, so 90% of the energy in the entire cow's diet was lost as heat. This applies to all animals.

If your goal is overall reduction in pain of others for your own survival, then eating a cow includes that cow's death, plus the much larger amount of greenery it had to eat versus how much greenery you'd eat to comfortably live as the much smaller beings that we are.

Skipping the cow means less overall death by that logic.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

and that goes down to plants too

You don't know what strong arguments look like