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A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (42 children)

Protests are nice to look at, but they paint free targets on everyone who participates. Conservatism/fascism has never been defeated by pacifism.

If you are motivated to resist fascism/conservatism, arm yourself and train appropriately. Take classes, join left-leaning gun clubs, survival groups and prepper classes. Exercise and learn to fight.

Conservatives have been prepping for years for a war they insist is necessary. They have decided you are their enemy. You cannot change that by protesting.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

As a liberal gun owner, I agree.

I want a world without mass shootings.

But right now, the majority of mass shootings happen against the most vulnerable people. And the majority of hate crimes is happening because a bunch of fucktards are pushing violent messages. And the worst part is nobody in power really gives a shit.

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[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 27 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Apartheid in South Africa was solved politically. The Troubles in Northern Ireland were solved politically. The Berlin wall collapsed and the Cold War ended without violence.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Nelson Mandela was accused of being a terrorist because he was one. The ANC mostly killed civilians, "civilians" that just so happened to be key figures in apartheid politics (well, that was their goal, anyways, and it worked well enough)

Also, just how myopic do you have to be to point to the collapse as the Soviet Union as being "solved politically" while ignoring several decades of proxy wars and an attempted coup?

Shit, it didn't even resolve that well other than independence for the satellite states, it just left Putin in charge in the end to get a million people killed himself.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apartheid in South Africa was solved politically.

Bullshit. The Apartheid-regime would never have been ended if it wasn't for it's military defeat in Angola and the (extremely violent) uprising in South Africa itself.

The Troubles in Northern Ireland were solved politically.

Bullcrap. If it wasn't for the IRA, Ireland would still be England's doormat.

The Berlin wall collapsed and the Cold War ended without violence.

The (so-called) "Cold War" never ended... the US just switched to new pretexts to wage war on the 3rd world.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It required both violence and politics to end Apartheid and the Troubles. Politics and nonviolent actions have always used some degree of violence to be successful. Even with famous nonviolent successes like the American Civil Rights movement and Indian independence movements, the potential of the movements to become violent played a large role.

Gandhi and MLK Jr were dedicated to nonviolence in the formation of their movements. Their nonviolent nature allowed them to become large and organized. Afterall, it's hard to crush a nonviolent movement once it gains momentum. If the members stop believing that nonviolence can bear fruit, some will probably turn to violence. The goal of nonviolent movements is to change laws, constructions that require enforcement through violence.

[–] Fungah@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

War is diplomacy when all other means have failed. The same is true for revolution and resistance id say.

Violence isn't the only resort. It's the last one. And often unnecessary. Though not always.

[–] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

"War is the continuation of policy with other means."

-Carl von Clausewitz

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Can we name the resistance Rainbow Riot?

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

I like that one, too. Maybe East Coast and West Coast factions?

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

hehehehehehehehehe

that would piss em off even more

[–] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not clear on what situation I'm supposed to anticipate in which shooting people is the preferred resolution.

[–] RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social 2 points 11 months ago

I hear they call it the "boogaloo."

[Sarcasm] Don't worry, though, there are plenty of minorities to sacrifice to appease them. [Very sarcasm with extra pointyness] If you just throw us all into a meat grinder for their amusement they'll surely never do anything bad!

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