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I honestly do not think there are enough Americans who want to make the effort to fight a civil war. There could be little militia groups here and there who would likely to be put down quickly, but a mass uprising? When people can't be bothered to get off of their couch?
Not to mention, who's going quit their job to leave and fight a civil war and expect their partner to cover the rent by themselves? It's not like civil wars put a pause on all of that.
You are thinking about it incorrectly, there will never be pitched battles, states wouldn't secede, there won't be a war. If there is a sustained conflict it will look much more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland. There will be right wing actors and paramilitaries operating in a decentralized manner. They will start attacking individuals and infrastructure. Leading to a general state of fear. In response left wing actors will form small paramilitary cells to defend/get revenge. Mostly based on a belief that the police are either unable to or intentionally not stopping the right wing actors. As things escalate states will mostly likely be required to call up national guard troops to serve in a law enforcement role. One that they will mostly be untrained for. This will lead to abuses of power most likely in the form of arbitrary detention, torture and forced confessions. Mostly likely against both sides. This will just harden resolve and increase distrust of the government. And of course there will be the rise of political actors on both sides. Ones that most likely will not have any direct control of the paramilitaries but will use their bully pulpits to direct action while maintaining the appearance of freedom of speech. In the meantime the federal government may be so paralyzed by partisanship that it is incapable of taking meaningful action.
Yeah I don't sleep well... Sorry if you all don't now either.
I dunno... I keep coming back to a thing I read recently about how most people back in Nazi Germany didn't want to exterminate all the Jews.
they just didn't care.
Also Hitler only won with 35 percent of the popular vote.
The worst truth is that most of those who did care, even deeply, felt that they could not do anything or say anything because then they and their whole family would become targets. It's rarely as simple as individual selfishness.
Yeah. These people largely couldn't be bothered to get vaccinated for their fellow Americans, something tells me they're not gonna go get themselves shot by the US military for their fellow Americans either to any significant degree.
That logic only works if you assume they didn't get vaccinated because of laziness which isn't the source of their refusal.
People don't understand how this would work. First they bully and threaten poll workers so they can put themselves in those position to "adjust" things. They get elected to school boards then advance their agendas. They move up the political ladder. Soon they are a powerful enough to infiltrate courts and instill fear into legislators who do not fully cooperate.
Once they have control, they use law enforcement to enforce whatever they decide. Democracy is then dead. Welcome to a shithole country of brutal dictators. VOTE or else ^
I also sincerely doubt that they could self-organize well enough. Most of them seem to think that they would wave their guns around and the evil liberals would surrender.
If it didn't happen on January 6th, I think it's very unlikely it would happen even if Trump loses again. Most of the people who think the election was stolen also think, "well, there's nothing I can do about it. I guess I have to move on with my life. Biden sucks though."
Think back to the 2020 national uprising.
And that resulted in what? Was the government overthrown?
Are you asking sincerely or are you some anti-disestablisment bootlicker looking for a place to sink your hookers into?
I'm pretty sure I already know which one you've decided I am, so I don't think I need to know your answer.
And it couldn't possibly just be that everyone else is aware of how people like you think and your bad choices. Nope, you're the victim because you want to prop up a broken system that destroys everyone around you simply to maintain your comfort.
But you can't. You can't do that anymore and you can't emotionally bludgeon everyone else into submitting to your opinion.
Find a better way to feed yourself than exploiting your neighbors.
Yep, that's what I thought.
You're attacking the choir on this one
Edit: since no one is paying attention, Flying Squid didn't actually say anything. That user isn't who pinkdrunkard thinks they are. Pinkdrunkard is attacking a fellow leftist.
Well at least their name is accurate lol
Just curious- who elected you to speak for everyone but me? I assume there was an election.
You don't sound any better to be quite frank. You're not only lowering yourself by stooping to their level, but you're legitimizing their behavior by doing exactly what they accused Flying Squid of doing.
I don’t remember the situation just that he was being an asshole, I don’t have the time or energy to care what you think either. The same asshole made an alternate account to harass me.
Okay, let me explain something to your dumb hypocritical ass before you make a fool out of yourself any further:
You're clearly the only one being an asshole and a bully here.
You're the one being the -- how did you put it? "authoritarian we should try to avoid", and you're the one being a worthless hypocrite on top of it.
This is me talking to you via an alt account, an account I have because most people on Lemmy have at least 2 or 3 by virtue of federation.
You did nothing but take a cheap shot at some innocent dumb fuck who stuck their oar in because you wanted to hurt me and my feelings. And judging from the rest of your account activity, you very blatantly do the exact same thing you accuse me of doing, all the time, non-stop. And you have zero self-awareness at all.
So why would you even come here all offended at me in the first place, unless you yourself were just @FlyingSquid's dumbass alt? I guess we're all alts here, moron.
It's okay though. You're acting just like me and I'm here for it. 👏
Haha if you think I’m gonna read your wall of text get fucked loser, I see it’s still in your brain. Little bitch, you gonna make a fourth account now?
Yeah! We fuckin' got him! He lives so rent-free in our head that we felt the need to respond to him after we declared we blocked him to win an internet argument! Yeah! As long as we keep accusing him of doing literally exactly what we have been doing to him non-stop, we'll win that fucking internet trophy and prove we're clearly better than lame-ass pinkdrunk who had the nerve to hurt our feelings telling us what we didn't want to hear! High-five, altbro!
Haaahhaahhaaa you fucking loser still trying to harass me. I see I’m living in your head for sure, fuckin dork. This is why your family and everyone else hates you
Since you made five accounts to try to communicate with me, I must’ve really hit the nail on the head. You’re just a lonely hateful incel trying to find attention any where you can. Well you won’t get that attention from me you fucking loser
Yeah, got him again with not one but two responses this time! Yeah! That'll show that meanie douchebag who the real bully is! We'll... we'll win the argument. We won't walk away from this with a bruised ego or hurt feelings. We'll get that last word in. sniffle 😢 sniffle We'll show the world he's the real asshole and the bully and we're not just two chucklefucks rolling around in the mud like everyone else on the internet. I am better than stupid-ass pinkdrunk. We'll prove it!
Dude fuck off already
*You're
I'm not even American, and I'm automatically reading his replies in a squeaky whiny American teenager's voice lmao. Something about the syntax just screams "prepubescent" 😂
That's not an answer. All I want to know is when the election was.
Well, they will control the military when Trump wins back the white house.
Will they obey orders to violate their military oaths? I mean I realize we can't guarantee they won't, but I just think a lot of the rank and file would not be willing to fire on their fellow citizens.
I agree but that's how you might have a shooting war (or at least significant skirmishes). If some of them obey and others don't.