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By MAYA ZANGER-NADIS NOVEMBER 12, 2023 19:09 Updated: NOVEMBER 12, 2023 21:26


Israeli security forces delivered 300 liters of diesel fuel to Shifa Hospital in Gaza early Sunday morning and later received intelligence indicating that Hamas had intercepted the delivery, according to a Sunday night IDF statement.

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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You would send all the fuel a catastrophic situation needs.

Even if you knew the aid wouldn't arrive, but instead would be used to extend the cause of the catastrophic situation?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The hospitals were running fine before the Israelis shut off their power.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes before the government the hospital is in declared war on their neighbor.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody declared war on Oct 7th. Israel has been illegally occupying Palestine (any definition of it's borders) for decades and has been operating a blockade of Gaza for about a decade.

Both of those are acts of war. One of them is also a war crime. So don't come crying that Israel got attacked. They could absolutely have kept the power on.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was a cease fire in place before that. One side broke the cease fire. That's initiating war. That was an intentional, planned decision to start a war.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That makes no sense. You have to be at war to have a cease fire and they are temporary by nature. The 50 year cease fire in Korea is famous for being the only one to last so long.

Furthermore it was only weeks after the 2014 cease fire that Israel shot an unarmed farmer inside Gaza. You cannot claim there was a cease fire if you were commiting war crimes during it.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their last ceasefire was in 2018 IIRC.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So fun fact. In 2019 Israel was caught assassinating people inside Gaza. That turned into a whole exchange too.

The point is both countries treat cease fires as items of convenience. But we only act shocked when one of them breaks it.

[–] dzire187@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel is not responsible for providing power to Gaza. Hamas are.

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Israel controls their electric grid so they by default have responsibility.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel specifically prevented Hamas from being able to provide power on their own with the blockade. They were also already supplying it, suggesting a duty to aid.

[–] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

how'd hamas do that? :oc

[–] filister@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And how exactly do you know that? And yes as an empathetic human being I would definitely try to help and fail rather than not trying. At least I would know that I have tried.

And just to remind you, the propaganda is not only on one of the sides, but both. And accepting everything IDF is saying as true is a very one-sided way to look at this conflict!

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People trying to help and making the situation worse does not help, at all. Putting soothing your own feelings above the pragmatic requirements to solve the situation does not help

This is why politicians are universally hated, but still required

[–] filister@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let them all die then. Right? They are anyway on the wrong side of the fence!

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not what I said, but you know that already

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re right, you’re too much of a coward to get to the end of the logic of your position.

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who would have thought that a discussion on the internet would descend into name-calling

[–] TheDankHold@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clutch your pearls harder, I’m not the original commenter and your “discussion” was just you throwing out thought terminating cliches to disregard what people are saying and to ignore the implications of your argument.

Own your position instead of complaining that I called it out with terse, judgmental language.

[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you had tried to have a proper discussion, we would be having it. Instead you're name calling. I am perfectly aware of the tragic end result of that pragmatic argument.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub -1 points 1 year ago

Well you'd know because you have the intelligence that shows that Hamas has been stealing fuel reserves at large. And you'd confirm it by sending a few Jerry cans worth of fuel to the hospital to see if they'd be allowed on or if they'd be stolen. You're acting like they didn't attempt to help at all.

These sorts of actions are designed to be trust building exercises. They prove viability of the general concept.