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Gotta stop confusing CCP supporters for leftists
Of course, but I didn't thought there were so many of them here.
They're all over hexbear and lemmygrad
Omg drama!!!!
Did you see that lemmy.world has re-federated with hexbear and lemmygrad again?
They haven't though? I just checked the list of blocked instances and they are both still there.
@stankmut@lemmy.world is correct, they’re not federated. Hexbear just has multiple irrelevant urls on the allow list. No clue why you thought lemmygrad was on their allow list, though.
Who in their right mind would do that? Oh, right, the Lemmy.world guys are fucking morons. They also blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com a few months ago, for no real reason.
Just like neighborhoods in real life, you have to find a neighborhood you like. I wish it was more explained when you first sign up, but it does matter what instance you make your home. That instance decides what's on your front page and the tone of your stay on Lemmy. Lemmy.ml is not a good fit for you it seems like, so try another neighborhood (or instance).
avoid lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear
Which of the two?
Gotta stop pretending "left" and "right" are useful labels to apply to politics too.
They are useful, but as any other category they can be instrumentalized.
They aren't useless, but they are pretty broad strokes that will always have a use as long as we're talking about any de facto two party states (e.g. those with FPTP voting systems).
It's also worth remembering that the population of one country's idea of left wing politicians might actually end up being right wing elsewhere (for instance, people in the US saying their democratic party are lefty when in most of Europe they would be considered center-right or just plain right-wing).
That's not what makes the terms useful.
US Democrats aren't left and the term is still useful in European politics.
I'm not really saying what makes them useful, that's a long list. I was more going for saying they're not useless, but are potentially pretty ambiguous without additional context due to how people use them.
Please elaborate how "equality" and "hierarchy" based policies aren't useful labels for politics anymore.
I’ve always liked a 2 axis spectrum. Social ownership/ private ownership on one axis. Authoritarian / libertarian on the other.
c/iamverysmart
You're right
The current situation is certainly making that clear.
Especially "horseshoe" politics. Leftist just means centrist.
Horseshoe theory is basically regarded as nonsense by anyone that knows about politics.
It's pretty much only parroted as alt-right propaganda these days
According to the political compass, authoritarians are up-ists.
CCP supporters = wumao
The irony is that the only Lemmy instances blocked in China are the tanky ones.
This comment doesnt make sense. I think its time for you guys to brush up on the difference between leftist and liberal left. CCP and leftist have the same agenda.
China is a corporatist authoritarian state. Basically late stage capitalism with a bunch of steps skipped. Corporations married to the government. Where the right wing in America is headed.
Being new to Lemmy I'm very taken back by the amount of communist supporters everywhere. Where my capitalist bros at?
Lemmy is a community hosted system, and a lot of the user base came here after leaving other platforms (mostly reddit) because of the owners making it worse and worse trying to copy other platforms like tiktok.
And you're wondering why everyone here has problems with capitalism.
That's not even mentioning the other huge problems with capitalism.
Tankies were here before the reddit exodus. They had their own mini exodus a whole back
What?
FOSS is great, I like the idea of people from all over the world contributing towards software that benefits the user rather than the creator.
I fail to see how that equates to "communism good" though. That's a huge leap in thinking. Really weird when surely most people on here live and benefit from capitalist societies.
The problem is that very few people make the decisions that impact everyone on the platform, which ends up meaning "capitalism bad". Fixing that problem with a system that's basically owned by users is sort of like making the system communist.
Sure, they live in capitalist societies, but do they honestly benefit from it being capitalist more than they would from it being communist or socialist? Are they really better off in a system that inherently increases inequality rather than decreasing it?
"you say capitalism but yet you live under capitalism, checkmate" doesn't really work, because you don't just get to choose the economic system you live in
Sure, capitalism has brought significant improvements to quality of life, but given that the systems that preceded it were largely feudalism and subsistence farming, that's not really a high bar.
And it certainly doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue to develop economic and social systems that are even more equitable.
You're not even federated with the tanky instances...
I give you a hint: lemmy is a decentralized, non commercial platform. The cap*talists are still on r*ddit
Not all of us.
They're on exploding-heads.
I’ve put some thought into how to respond to this but I just can’t get past “capitalism bros” so I’ll just say this, you can criticize the current market economy system most of the west has without being a full on communist. And those that are content with capitalism aren’t going to go out of their way to be a “capitalism bro”. So of course dissenting voices to the current status quo are going to be amplified here. Try to learn from others perspectives instead of seeking validation
I meant that light heatedly but I see how that could come across as an immature comment. I guess where I'm coming from and failed to articulate in a constructive way is that I'm surprised there's so much support for communism when likely most of the people on here live in capitalist societies that though have issues still allow them enough freedom to make those statements without fear of punishment.