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Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 101 points 1 year ago (89 children)

If we'd shift funds from Israel (who are committing genocide) to Ukraine (who are defending themselves) it helps Palestine and hurts Russia too.

Is a win/win.

Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Imagine if Ukraine had the iron dome America bought Israel.

I know your heart is in the right place but ID barely covers a city and operating costs are extremely high. Right now the missiles that the ID system uses cost something around $1,000,000 each so defending just this latest bombing run would have been $90,000,000 USD.

No one could afford to operate the system even if it could be built.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ID interceptor missiles are more like $50k-150k a piece, but multiple are fired during each interception to increase chances of a successful hit. The amount fired already since the 7th is still probably in the $1-2 billion range if you estimate conservatively.

Iron Knife and Iron Beam are much cheaper per shot (~$4 and $2500 respectively) but are developed by Israel itself in collaboration with US military industrial contractors. The Gaza war is a giant live fire test for them and countries including the US and India are lining up to buy them.

Iron Dome as a whole thing array also includes David's Sling and the Arrows which cover different type of attacks. I. E. Cruise and ballistic missiles amongst other things.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are correct I just didn't want to get into the details of how the system works. I think my main points still stand; the technical challenges of expanding a system like that to cover a a whole country would be massive and actually running it would be far too expensive.

[–] LaLiLuLuCo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh yea for sure it's not feasible for anyone except maybe the US and in specific areas and along dangerous borders.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Israel doesn't actually need American money, unfortunately. Sure, it helps them, but they can continue this campaign for a long time without a dollar from the U.S. Ukraine, on the other hand, is a much more desperate situation. I'm not saying that means we shouldn't shift funds from Israel to Ukraine, because I agree we should do that, but it will likely not help Palestinians much.

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