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  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
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[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really struggle to see what leverage Hamas gains by fudging their numbers. It feels like a talking point to reduce the fatality count.

This number, half this number, quarter this number... the political reality is the same. Murmurs of condemnation while the US keeps the money pump going, Israel keeps commiting war crimes, and Palestine shrinks into nothing.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's mostly to make their own people more sympathetic to their cause, I'd imagine.

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You think entire city blocks bombed and leveled to the ground, entire families just disappearing from existence is not enough to sympathize, so they need to fake the numbers?

[–] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sorry to be replying so late, (original poster of the post that generated all these comments here) but I think you're missing the forest for the trees. You're right that entire families disappearing probably will get more people to sympathise. That was my original point. Hamas wants innocent Palestinians dead just as much as Israel does. Whether they'll fudge numbers to move that needle up or not is not really important at that point: some people just feel like in the face of that political reality, is it really so unlikely that they'll do so?

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to world organizations, the ministry of health's numbers were accurate enough before, so they considered it to be reliable.

However, it is important to emphasize that Israel is bombing civilian buildings and ambulances, because some brain dead people still think Hamas is doing that.

Also, if we're gonna argue about how many thousands of innocent civilians and children have died and saying stuff like "It's not 9000 civilians, it's actually less", as if less thousand of civilian casualties is OK, then we lost our humanity.

[–] Sentrovasi@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Feels like you're conflating all the Israel-Hamas issues together. None of that is relevant to what I said (maybe the first sentence is?) and I agree with most of it.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who's talking about sympathizing? I'm talking about joining them. It takes a bit more than sympathy for victims to become a terrorist.

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When someone bombs your home, your entire neighborhood, and kills your entire family, you don't need someone to convince you to fight back.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That applies to every single person there, does it? What are you even talking about lmao

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone in Palestine has been suffering from Israel for literally decades. Nobody needs fake numbers to fight the oppressors.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By that logic, every single person there should be a terrorist. Tell me, are they?

[–] blitzkrieg@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You got it backwards. Palestine people are fighting for their freedom against their oppressors.

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Backwards? As opposed to fighting for freedom from people they are oppressing, you mean?