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[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So lets put it all in perspective. Some established facts first:

  • Russia is pretty open with it's declaration of love to HAMAS
  • Iran really wants to "give it" to US
  • Russia is sanctioned and desperate in it's war with Ukraine, hoping biggest weapon supplier would stop supplying weapons
  • Russia is best buddies with Iran
  • Iran wants nukes
  • Russia used to be buddies with Israel (esp. military-wise, which was cited as one of the reasons no military assistance to Ukraine came from Israel)
  • Israel has it's internal political problems.
  • all the nations that now so keenly support Palestine and violence towards Israel never sent any significant investments or humanitarian aid to Palestine to beat Israel economically
  • Israel was behaving as an a-hole towards Palestine for quite some time
  • HAMAS has not moved Israel-Palestine relationship an inch and needs to show some activity

So, to me all of the above kind of adds up to: Palestine was used by everybody else to achieve goals absolutely unrelated to Palestine survival or prosperity.

If I were to make up a conspiracy theory, I'd say: Russia needed diversion real bad, they talked to their Iran buddies to stir dhit up in Gaza. Mossad snifs it out and does.. nothing, opening door to unspeakable acts that followed, but also giving a pretext for "outrage" and rallying the nation against existential threat. Arab world leaders quickly jump on a familiar train of antisrmitism boosting their ratings locally and doing diddly squat to help Palestine (I mean help, not entrench them further in conflict)

In sum: both sides were comfortable sacrificing their own people (without people's consent) to achieve political goals.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just came across HAMAS leader openly enumerating benefactors: https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-leader-abroad-khaled-mashal-russia-october-seven-chine-taiwan

"For your information, Russia has benefitted from our [attack], because we distracted the U.S. from them and from Ukraine. China saw [our attack] as a dazzling example. The Russians told us that what happened on October 7 would be taught in military academies. The Chinese are thinking of carrying out a plan in Taiwan, doing what the Al-Qassam Brigades did on October 7. The Arabs are giving the world a master class."