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[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Careful what you wish for. I believe it’s in the first book of Wheel of Time that suddenly there's a group of "darkfriends" (basically worshippers of the ultimate evil) who all speak in a dialect that sounds like they're from rural Georgia.

Even with Rosamund Pike doing a fantastic job reading the audio book, that was immersion breaking as fuck 😂

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the seanchan are described as having a drawl, but you're not introduced to them until book2 and they're not uniformly darkfriends.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, my ADHD memory lol. I'm currently at book 3 and knew for sure that it was one of the previous ones 😁

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

ah. well i haven't heard rosamund's narration, but the previous recordings by michael kramer and kate redding did not have either the stereotypical british accent nor did they stretch to give the seanchan a southerndrawl. you might find that less jarring if you can get past the first few books where they seem to never pre-read and, so, frequently misstep in meter or emphasis and sometimes just mispronounce names and places altogether.

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an example of stumbling over meter or emphasis:

*i* did not take the money
i did *not* take the money
i did not *take* the money
i did not take the *money*
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, they don't appear that much so far and as I said she's doing a fantastic job overall so I'm gonna stick with her. Thanks anyway 🙂

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I have to admit, I want to hear the story of aemons field as read by moraine.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there’s a group of “darkfriends” ... who all speak in a dialect that sounds like they’re from rural Georgia

Not sure how you got that impression from reading a book. It's not like he references rural Georgia.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By listening to the audio book version. The point about Rosamund Pike reading should have been a clue for you

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in the first book

When people talk about books, they generally mean books, not audio books. Yes, the narrator of an audio book can choose to use a certain accent, but that's not necessarily what the author intended. In this case, the author didn't make any suggestion that the characters sound like that, it was a choice made by Ms. Pike or by the audio book director.

You can't say that the characters in the book have that accent, all you can say is that in the audio book they're given that accent.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When people talk about books, they generally mean books, not audio books

Audio books are books and I made it clear which kind of book I was talking about, as mentioning the excellent reader would only make sense in the context of that medium or a public reading, which is usually done by the author.

In this case, the author didn't make any suggestion that the characters sound like that

As per the other guy replying, that's flat out false as the text describes them as having a drawl. It doesn't specify Georgia specifically, but suggests specific dialect groups, of which Southern American English is the one most people worldwide associate with a drawl.

You can't say that the characters in the book have that accent, all you can say is that in the audio book they're given that accent.

Wrong again. The audio book IS the book. It's a different way to express the same text.

You came in hot without knowing what you're talking about. It's ok. That happens to most of us sometimes. Just own up to your mistakes in stead of doubling down like a Republican.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I made it clear which kind of book I was talking about

No, you said " I believe it’s in the first book* of Wheel of Time". Without context that refers to... you know, the book. Not the audio book.

You then said: "who all speak in a dialect that sounds like they’re from rural Georgia". You had not mentioned audio books at all at that point. Your claim was that the books had multiple characters who all sounded like they were from rural Georgia.

Your first mention of the audio book was in the next paragraph. If you had wanted to make it clear you were talking about her choice to interpret the accent that way, a reasonable way to phrase it would have been: "In the audio book for one of the Wheel of Time books, Rosamund Pike chooses to interpret their accent as if it were a rural Georgia accent, and that was immersion breaking."

The way you actually phrased it was as if the accent was faithfully describe as if it were a rural Georgian accent in the book, and that she faithfully interpreted that for the audio book. Instead, all they claim was that there was a drawl. But, a drawl can be any slow, diphthong-heavy dialect. There are multiple English drawls in the world, including multiple drawls within England.

Do you even know what a drawl is?

It doesn't mean "a dialect that sounds like they’re from rural Georgia". All it is is an accent that is slower with longer vowel sounds and more diphthongs. Yes, rural Georgia might count, but so would broad Australian, New Zealand, Texas, Louisiana, even some maritime accents in Canada. In England, the posh aristocratic accent and the Liverpool accent are considered drawls. In fact, the exaggerated slow and calm tone that pilots use over the intercom is considered a drawl, but one associated with a job, not a region.

Wrong again. The audio book IS the book.

The audio book is the audio book adaptation of the book. The books are The Eye of the World, The Great Hunt, The Dragon Reborn, etc. written by Robert Jordan. Those are the definitive words on the characters and how they sound. Your confusion over the accent applies only to the adaptation, not the original book.

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck it. You're still wrong but it's not worth my time and effort to further dumb already simple concepts down so you can understand them. Have the day you deserve.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ha. You can't admit you're wrong, but you also can't find any fault in my argument, so you pretend...

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, I found a picture of you!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're right, I do shed light on things. Thanks for noticing. Is this your way of admitting you were wrong?

[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, it's a projector projecting. Like you.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Ah, projecting information into the darkness, which you refuse to look at.