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Israel's military suggested on Tuesday that the United Nations ask Hamas for fuel supplies after the U.N. agency providing aid to Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip warned it would have to halt operations on Wednesday night if no fuel was delivered.

The agency, known as UNRWA, posted its warning on social media on Tuesday. The Israel Defense Forces reposted it and said that Hamas militants have more than 500,000 litres of fuel in tanks inside besieged Gaza.

"Ask Hamas if you can have some," the IDF wrote.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well the logical step forward would be a negotiated peace that includes lifting the blockade so Gazans don't have a reason to launch rocket attacks. That was the idea in 2008 and 2012, only a country whose name starts with Israel didn't follow through with it. As seen from this attack, the current Israeli policy on Palestine is a colossal failure on multiple levels, so something needs to change,

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if say, the blockade is lifted and even more rockets start to be delivered and fired at Israel. What would happen in the negotiated peace?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The blockade would be reinstated, with Gazans being told that it'll only be lifted if Hamas is replaced, would be the logical step towards peace. But we've already had two of these before; we don't need to do what-ifs. Hamas followed the 2012 ceasefire for more than a year even though Israel showed no signs of lifting the blockade or otherwise following the ceasefire.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Force Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey to pay $1M to Israel for every rocket launched by Gaza and the blockade would be lifted tomorrow.

The issue is that Hamas continues to stockpile weapons, and the weakness of the Iron Dome system is in the number of projectiles that it can respond to. The system can be overwhelmed by constant fire (that's what happened in 2012 and 2014 that sparked the conflicts). The blockade slows how quickly Hamas can collect that many weapons and decreases the amount of conflict that those rockets will cause.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The blockade slows how quickly Hamas can collect that many weapons and decreases the amount of conflict that those rockets will cause.

The blockade is the source of the modern Gaza-Israel conflict. It's the reason there are rocket attacks in the first place.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The current blockade started in 2007 2 years after Israel pulled out of Gaza and Hamas took control. The after they pulled out in 2006 there were over 900 rocket attacks an increase from the 176 the year before.

The blockade started in response to rocket attacks.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

The current blockade started in 2007 2 years after Israel pulled out of Gaza and Hamas took control.

No? It was turned into its current form in 2007. Gaza has been partially blockaded by Israel (harsh reduction, but not completely termination, of exports) since 2005, and got even worse in 2006.

Following the disengagement, human rights groups alleged that Israel frequently blockaded Gaza in order to apply pressure on the population "in response to political developments or attacks by armed groups in Gaza on Israeli civilians or soldiers".[26] The special envoy of the Quartet James Wolfensohn noted that "Gaza had been effectively sealed off from the outside world since the Israeli disengagement [August–September 2005], and the humanitarian and economic consequences for the Palestinian population were profound. There were already food shortages. Palestinian workers and traders to Israel were unable to cross the border".

They also withheld the PNA's tax income for more than a year, and as for the effects I'll let Wikipedia speak on my behalf.

By releasing or withholding these revenues, Israel was able, in the words of the International Crisis Group, to "virtually turn the Palestinian economy on and off".