667
Biden Warns Israel Not to Occupy Gaza
(www.nytimes.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2023
667 points (95.5% liked)
News
23096 readers
3871 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I find comments like this frustrating.
There may be two sides, but there's only one side with an actual military and nukes and only one side running an apartheid. The only reason people aren't referring to Israel as a terrorist state (which they are) is that they're destroying hospitals with bombs dropped from planes and shooting news reporters with guns held by soldiers in military uniforms.
The other side has no military, has been blockaded for sixteen years, is terrorized and killed at will without recourse, and isn't actually allowed to leave.
What makes Israel the criminal here is the power they wield and how they've chosen to use it.
So sure, yeah, there are two sides, yes, but the two sides are very, very different.
You could have said the same thing 70 years ago about the leader if mandatory Palestine who was appointed by the British colonizers and collaborated with Nazis, and that a group like Irgun bravely fought against them. The same Irgun that carried out the Deir Yassin massacre.
What Israel's government is doing is wrong, and they should pay for it. And Israel should pay reparations. But the majority of Israeli's, Palestinians, and American Jews and Muslims just want peace man. This whole thing about who colonized who is silly.
Yeah.
So silly.
Jews deserve reparations from the Ottoman empire.
The difference is Israel still exists, holding Palestine back, it's not even about reparations but stopping the actions on-going today, not just about righting wrongs from the past.
Reparations are crucial in stopping current unjust policies. That is something I believe anyway. A government can't actively acknowledge the existence of injustice as simultaneously support policy that perpetuates it. That is one of the reasons why governments are so reluctant to pay reparations in the first place.
For Israel's continued existence as a state, it is crucial that they pay reparations. This might mean that a few Jewish American young adults might not get to go on a free vacation to Israel, but so be it.
But we live today, not 70 years ago.
Lol today is the result of 70 years ago. Actions don't just stop affecting people's lives because they happened a long time ago. We couldn't possibly live or do anything if we thought that way.
Yes, Israel has responsibility to pay reparations. I have fought for that tirelessly in many ways. I just don't like being called a colonizers when I have never even been there.
Then don't support colonizers. It's pretty easy.
Read through my post history where I have repeatedly condemned the Israeli govt. And then let me know if you think I "support colonizers".
I'm very frustrated that leftists can't frame evil in the world as anything other than the "forces of colonization". It's a very complete and utter misunderstanding of world history and politics.
This should be whom. Better luck next time!
The Palestine vs Israel argument is a legitimate one that needs to be addressed.
However, Hamas is nothing more than a terrorist organization that uses the struggles of the Palestinians to stay in power much like how the Israeli government often does the same to their own people.
No, Hamas is palestines only means of fighting their oppressors. The US has made military conflict impossible for Palestine to win, and so they resort to harming whichever Israeli they can find.
Who are the oppressors? Israel left the area in 2006
Bro, Israel literally dictates how many calories and ounces of water go into Gaza, in order to keep them just above starvation.
They would not have to control it if there weren't terrorists inside.
In addition, how is it possible that whilst israel managed to build systems for desalination, Gaza managed to build a complete dependence on others?
You have that backwards, there would not be terrorists in Gaza if not for Israeli oppression. And that happened because Israel destroyed everything Gaza built.
Really? Israel left gaza in 2006. They left there farms, etc. In addition, Gaza received billions in support and all they managed to do it stealing it and creating bombs which they shoot at Israel.
Israel has been laying siege to Gaza for 30 years. Claiming they left is wildly ignorant of reality. Israel limits the number of calories going in, to keep Gazans at near starvation levels. Israel has also prevented any public works from being made. They literally bombed every bakery in Gaza.
There were literally billions sent to Gaza in last 10 or so years and still it’s one of the most hostile places in the world. In addition, they had 70 years to form a state that can keep its citizens alive.
Today there is a war there, so logically both sides are doing atrocities that create a humanitarian crisis. One side takes hostages, other responds with limited water supply. This is unfortunately the truth when it comes to living during a war.
In addition, how would you expect participants in a war to be kind to each other?
Billions sent in military aid to Israel, to be clear. Which they use in Gaza. What part of "oppressed by Israel" do you not understand? You may as well say the black people in the American south had 200 years to form a state to protect themselves.
To be honest, I do not know how Gaza is oppressed by Israel. Unlike black people, Gaza has a land where it can form the state. Obviously if it was not lead by terrorists and accepted a compromise.
Israel rations how much water and how many calories they allow into Gaza, in order to keep them just above starvation. They blackmail sick Gazans for info, and their trip to the specialist doctor is denied if they don't. The border security is so heavy that hospitals require 6 different ambulances to travel 2 miles, and it takes hours. Literally the better question is "can somebody name a way in which gaza is NOT oppressed by Israel?" Because I'm not sure there are any.
The question is why Gaza does not build farms when their population starves?
Neighbors of my country provide us with zero calories and electricity. We have to build farms and use the land, so our population has energy snd does not starve. Why can't Gaza do the same?
Border security would not have to be so heavy if there were no terrorists 🤷
Because Israel destroys the farms and water plants they build. There are only terrorists because Israel is destroying their farms and water plants. Please learn to do your own research on stuff, you shouldn't need people like me to correct you when you confidently post false things online.
I believe it’s the other way around when Hamas stole pipes and stuff from former Israeli's farms and built rockets.
Oh so because the other side is weak they're supposed to just sit idle when they murder pillage and rape? You're disregarding all the brutal fights Israel has fought against its neighbours as "they're strong so boo hoo". They also have thousands dead. They're also terrorized daily. Just because they're stronger doesn't make them less right. Again, they of course have a responsibility in this situation, but come on. Please tell me of any rocket launchers hidden inside a hospital Israel has. Blaming solely israel for the palestinian miserable lives is half the story. A big part of it is their terrorist leadership who take advantage of their poverty to promote a gruesome war they started (not talking about these days, talking about 48, where all the UN agreed on something and they chose to invade. Since then both sides are fully taking part in this war.).