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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you untangle this mess? If I knew that, I’d have the Nobel Peace Prize. I wish I did know.

Nah it's actually pretty easy. Just needs someone who isn't Netnyahu.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's definitely a start. Unfortunately, just swapping Netenyahu out with someone less extreme wouldn't get Hamas to stop their attacks. It wouldn't cause the people on both sides to feel safe enough to trust in a peace process and to forgive past actions.

There are a lot of factors in play and the solution to this, if there is one, is going to be very complicated and difficult to achieve. It will be worth it, but it won't be easy.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s definitely a start. Unfortunately, just swapping Netenyahu out with someone less extreme wouldn’t get Hamas to stop their attacks.

I mean Hamas already agreed to stop their attacks in ceasefires before (see: 2008 and 2012 ceasefires). It was then Netenyahu who didn't lift the blockade, therefore not holding Israel's end of the agreements. It was also Netenyahu who stopped the peace process in 1995 because he's Netenyahu.

This is what I meant by just needs someone who isn't Netenyahu. Hamas has proven that they're willing to engage in dialogue, despite what's written in their charter. It's Netenyahu who doesn't want that, so he's basically acting as a barrier between both sides and peace.

[–] player1@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are defending a group who as part of their founding charter calls for the extermination of all Jews on earth not just in Israel. You are at best wildly ignorant on this subject if not dishonest.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I made easily provable statements and can provide sources on them. If you have proof that anything I said is wrong, you're welcome to provide it.

[–] floppade@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You get someone who stops the illegal settlement expansion and gives the land back.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You would also need someone on the Palestinian side that the Israelis would trust to keep their word and not attack. That trust just isn't there and will be difficult to rebuild.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you. The illegal settlements need to go. I'd like to see any illegal settlements responded to by having a special group of Israeli police, working with Palestinian authorities and not just moving in on their own, arresting the settlers instead of the military moving in to protect them.

There's also the outside influence to consider. Evangelical Christians love the settlers. They help them and any politicians who would protect them. They'd work against a politician who promised to arrest them.

There are a lot of factors in play and the solution won't be an easy one.

[–] floppade@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

My bad for my tone. I was tired and didn't noticed how sassy I came off.

I don't think my suggestion will ever happen, but I think it's what needs to happen.

I don't think Palestinians would trust IDF soldiers to be escorts to be honest, but I suppose white police/soldiers played a role in integration in the US.

As far as implementing solutions, I think the Palestinians should decide that for themselves. I don't think the international community will allow that for MANY reasons, Christians being just one. And until we can stop the ethnic cleansing policy from its current implementation, there is no room to even try anything.

But yes, the evangelical Christian relationship with Israel is VERY different than the relationship of Israel to Jews. I understand the propaganda I see in the Jewish community, and I understand how it's harder to see this issue clearly when you're more likely to have family members, friends, and memories made in a region.

Christian fantasize about Israel being theirs or seeing themselves as the true Israel already, and that it's a metaphor for them and not Jews.

that's not even getting into how all the neighboring countries feel and how all their allies and enemies feel. It's a lot.