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Either Palestinians get full Israeli voting rights or Israel relinquishes its claim to govern Gaza and the west bank. They can't have it both ways.
I think this is the best way to explain it to people who don’t really know much about the situation (which is like 99% of white Westerners who aren’t already pro-Palestine). It boils it down into a digestible issue - it’s either autonomy or enfranchisement, Israel is offering neither. Thus it is by definition apartheid. If someone tries to argue they do have autonomy… well this is pretty easy to prove wrong and tbh after all this I don’t think anyone is going to go back to pretending Gaza and West Bank have real autonomy. Only other option is to be like Dan here and say “then the Jewish people won’t have disproportionate control over ‘their’ country”… then at least you’re backing them into a two state solution which, still not great but it should at least break loose most of the propaganda they’ve been fed.
The thing is, zionists like to pretend that Gaza is totally independent already. Because nothing says independence like being blockaded from all sides and having your infrastructure bombed regularly so you have to depend on the people who bomb you to send in food and power.
It's Schrodinger's Border. It simultaneously is and isn't a border, depending on what's convenient. You talk about Israel's atrocities? "Well, doesn't Israel have a right to defend their borders?" If you bring up that, if Palestine is a separate country, what Israel is doing is undeniably an act of war and a war of aggression, then it's "it's not a separate country, though".