this post was submitted on 07 Oct 2023
174 points (79.6% liked)

World News

39032 readers
3392 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Ukraine’s Jewish president says world must stand united against terror as Hamas launches deadly surprise assault

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose country is fending off a Russian invasion, said Saturday that Israel had an unquestionable right to defend itself from attacks from Palestinian terrorists.

The Hamas terror group launched an unprecedented assault on Israel in the morning, firing thousands of rockets, sending gunmen into Israeli communities and military bases by land, sea and air, killing at least 200 people, injuring over 1,400, and taking hostages.

“Israel’s right to defense is indisputable,” Zelensky, who is Jewish, said on Telegram.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] stifle867@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not taking a side either way on this comment. I would just like to point out that Ukraine claimed their land in 1991 while Israel had theirs since 1948 (according to this image.) If you would argue that Ukraine is Ukraine because they have been since 1991 wouldn't it be even more fair to say that Israel has been Israel for even longer? If Palestine wants to take back what was theirs pre-1948 why can't Russia take back what was theirs as recently as 1991?

Coming from someone who is mostly ignorant about Palestine vs Israel politics and happy to be educated!

[–] jochem@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are huge differences. One country came into existence due to a federation disintegrating, because its members called for independence. The other country came in existence because an occupier forced it upon the people living there.

There wasn't also a huge amount of migration involved with Ukraine. People mostly continued their lives when Ukraine became independent. The founding of Israel involved many Jews for all over the world migrating to that area. You can imagine that affects the people already living there.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you for taking the time to post a thoughtful response. Can you provide more information on the point that Jewish people migrated from all over the world? Being non-religious, my understanding is that Jewish people were historically always in that area since pre-Jesus times.

I'm just not entirely convinced that migration, in of itself, is enough of an argument against Israel considering UN Human Rights allow for cross-border movement of people. I can definitely understand if the government gets involved with purposefully displacing people who were already there.

Interested to hear your perspective on this issue.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's been like three or more major calls for "repatriation" ie. colonization the last was iirc 2015ish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

[–] qfjp@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To follow up on what the other commenter said, the term "Jew" started as a label for Judahites outside of Judah (part of the historical kingdom of Israel)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 year ago

Because Ukraine does not suppress ethnic russians and does not currently still takes more land.