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[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's not the worst thing they did.

Ask yourself: why did the Holocaust happen exactly? Who is responsible for almost all antisemitism, from past to present?

[–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a bit of a stretch don't you think. I don't like the church either but saying they're responsible for the Holocaust is quite a leap lmfao

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are unquestionably responsible for helping a load of high level Nazi murderers to escape after the war, so maybe it's not too much of a leap considering how pervasive the Nazi message has remained after all these years

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's helping them escape, not being responsible for what nazis did. I mean it's irreparably damaging to their already abominable image but it wasn't their fault Hitler rose to power.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I wasn't offering that as evidence that they were responsible for the Holocaust, I was offering it as an example of their close ties with the church. Unless you think they just became buddy buddy with them after the war ended? Considering we're only just learning about the large part they played helping these criminals escape justice, it might not be so far fetched of an idea that the Catholics had a larger role in the Holocaust than we know.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps but the problem is that we don't know how deep their role was. There plenty of reasons hate on the catholic church without inventing things.

[–] mrpants@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

The problem here is that you don't know how deep their role was. Nothing is being made up. Pope John XXIII even wrote about the role Catholic antisemitism played in the lead up to the Holocaust.

https://origins.osu.edu/history-news/catholic-church-and-holocaust?language_content_entity=en

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Judaism

[–] cantrips@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So did the US government, in Operation Paperclip. Arguably worse was the protection that the US government gave towards Japanese war criminals in Unit 731. The US govt has protected / harbored some of the most evil people to have lived in the past century.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nice whataboutism!

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not directly, no.

But would you mind exlaining to me why the Nazi's social darwinism heavily focused on Jews?What's the root cause of antisemitism?

I can answer it: the church's centuries of antisemitism. There's a reason antisemitism was this extremely widespread in Europe.

[–] PvtGetSum@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Antisemitism was prevalent long before the Catholic Church, and was prevalent outside of the church. Unfortunately it's one of those things that is just shitty behavior, and not exclusively a shitty church thing

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because Adolf Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat for post-WW1 financial troubles and used phrases like "Bolsheviks" and "Marxism" to convince right leaning German citizens that the Jews were not only the cause of their problems but actively working to destroy their way of life.

This instilled a belief system in the fundamentalist "patriots" that it was up to them in order to fix the issues by standing against the Jewish population, this lead to events like Kristallnacht where businesses and homes were violated and destroyed in an attempt to make Jews fear for their lives.

Eventually when the Nazis started rounding up the Jews, not only were most of their neighbors okay with it happening, it wasn't uncommon for them to assist in reporting and turning them in.

So you could say social engineering and propaganda over the course of years were the primary reason why the holocaust occurred, as it would face too much push back from an unprimed group that hasnt been molded over time to assess said group as "the enemy."

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But why did Hitler pick Jews? And why was tbe public so receptive?

Completely unrelated quote from Wikipedia's article about antisemitism:

The Enlightenment adopted some anti-Judaic stereotypes, such as the juxtaposition of a supposedly nationally limited and materialistic Jewish religion of hate against a universal and idealistic Christian religion of love. In the 19th century, Christian and racist hostility toward Jews merged. Thus, Christian and racist enemies of Jews together revived the medieval ritual murder legends. Since 1900, nationalist Christians were at the same time anti-Semites, such as the Protestant church party "German Christians" of the Nazi era.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And why was tbe public so receptive?

Reread my previous comment.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

its not like the protestant were famous for being projew.