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So tired of seeing this point made. Allowing animated or AI generated CSAM to exists openly and legally will not reduce violence against childern. It will increase it. It will normalized it.
You seem to think people who are willing and capable of commiting sexual violence against childern are going to do it less when theres a robust market of leaglly accessable CSAM.
It wont. it will instead create predator pipelines. It will take people with mild sexual disorders and histories of their own sexual assualts as childern and feed them CSAM. It will create more predators.
It will allow for communities of pedophiles to exist openly, findable on google searchs and advertised on regular porn sites.
Also the people who make AI generated CSAM are not going to be water marking it a AI genrated.
They are going to make it as real as possible. it will be indistinguishable to the naked eye and thus allow for Actual CSAM to masquarade and AI generated.
I could go on. But im not an expert on any of this.
You completely ignored the "state controlled generation and access" part of the argument. Experience with addictive drugs has shown us that tightly controlled access, oversight and possibly treatment can be a much better solution than just making it illegal. The truth is that we just don't know if it would work the same with CSAM, but we do know that making it a taboo topic doesn't work.
There's no parallel here. Providing safe access to drugs reduces harm to the user and the harm done by the black-market drug trade. Normalising AI-generated CSAM might reduce the harm done to children during production of the material but it creates many more abusers.
The parallel only works if the “state controlled generation and access” to drugs was an open shop handing out drugs to new users and creating new addicts. Which is pretty much how the opiate epidemic was created by drug companies, pharmacists and doctors using their legitimate status for entirely illegitimate purposes.
The problem with your argument is that you assume a bunch of stuff that we just don't know, because we haven't tried it yet. The closest thing we do know are drugs, and for them controlled access has proven to work really well. So I think it's at least worth thinking about and doing limited real-world trials.
And I don't think any sane person is suggesting to just legalize and normalize it. It would have to be a way for people to self-report and seek help, with conditions such as mandatory check-in/counseling and not being allowed to work with children.
Controlled access to drugs does work well. But legalising AI-generated CSAM is much more analogous to the opiate crisis, which is an unmitigated disaster.
How so, if you don't commercialize it? No legal actor would have an incentive to increase the market for CSAM, and it's not like people who are not already affected would or could just order some for fun.
That would be a discussion for an entirely different thread. I would still disagree with you but the people arguing in favour of CSAM on this thread don't think it should be a crime to make it using AI.
Again, how do you know this for a fact? I see your argument being feelings over facts
You dont need to keep arguing with this person. There are a pro capitial chump.
He believes " sure capitalism sux but its the best system we have"
Go check out It their comment history.
It has all the feels of a libertarian.
Says who?
Says me. And I explained exactly why. Feel free to engage with that argument.
There is a parallel here
You make a huge amount of claims, all as fact. How do you know that any of it is true? I'm not trying to defend rapists and pedophiles, I'm trying to think rationally and pragmatically about how to solve or at least improve this problem. Your reaction to it seems to be more emotional than rational and factual.
Ahh yes the rational thought process which leads you to think a government is capable of Safely facilitating the production of csam. ?????
They are unable to stop child poverty but totally capable to producing CSAM in a safe way......
Spare me Your fact finding mission.
Im not an expert or a social worker but i can tell But i can tell you that drug addiction and pedophilia are not the same.
To consider these two the same, as the original commentor did, is disgisting, offensive and ignorant.
There is no inherent victim with drug use. The same cannot be said pedophilia and Child sexual assualt.
While there is always a spectrum of people particpating in child victimization. The people who are the creators of the CSAM and those who participate in its distribution are not addicts. The are predators.
Well you are....