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[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Excuse my ignorance but with the way things are going. It's doesn't look like we have much to lose.

[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you remember hearing about Tambora, Krakatoa and their global effects? Do you remember ozone crisis? How we found out about the severity of the impact lead had on people? Acid rain? Nuclear winter?

Effective and thus extensive geoengineering requires an understanding of biogeochemical processes that we don't have.

[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well we didn't solve those by doing nothing. And given how unwilling we seem to be in reducing our footprint. I'd say this is our only viable way.

[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The only way is endangering food supply and if we stop we might have hyper climate change?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Nuclear winter didn't happen and the jury is out of it could happen that way. Everyone knew lead was bad but the thought was because it was heavier than air the dust would settle quickly, tests in real life conditions showed that it didn't. The ozone thing yeah give you that.

[–] Evehn@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But we HAVE so much to loose. At the moment, even a worse case scenario is one when earth goes on and adapts. Even humans would likely survive. And it's not even decided we'll get that.

But as proven time and time again by the shitty predictions we are getting, we don't have anything close to a true understanding of the systems in which we live.

So on top of that, you'd prefer a single nation, most likely with economic interests well active in their decision making, to try and forcefully modify the system we don't really understand?

Count me out.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I would love to live in a world where a few powerful nation did have such influnce that their economic interests didn't screw over the world. But i was born in a world like that.

[–] FatTony@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the moment, even a worse case scenario is one when earth goes on and adapts. Even humans would likely survive. And it’s not even decided we’ll get that.

What makes you think this? Do you have a source for this? I am genuinely curious here.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 1 year ago

Because we could eat phytoplankton and moss which could take care of oxygen production. We couldn't swim in the oceans or spend much time outside but we create digital fake worlds for ourselves.

Humans are unfortunately and fortunately very scrappy inventive creatures that a lot would have to happen to completely wipe us out. It's not to say the future wouldn't be miserable and unlike anything we currently know but the will to keep on living is very strong on average.

It's unlikely and pretty hard to get a runaway Venus effect on earth but not impossible, but it would be likely to restabilize at some point and life would go on. It takes a lot of effort to sterilize a planet even if not nearly as much to fuck with its balance.