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A lotta dumb asses in these comments don't know nothing about bulldogs
They have some of the highest kill counts...
Stop defending aggressive dogs, looks bad. It'll look extra bad when they maul for because they are such sweet dogs...
And I’m sure those dogs were raised in a loving household, and not at all raised as attack dogs or abused at all /s
Are we comparing dogs to guns now? I think I need to take a break from the internet
Are both dangerous in the wrong hands? Yes.
Seeing things you don't like and blaming the internet...
One of them is a living thing…
Some people are responsible with guns, but I’m still comfortable with getting rid of all of them because it’s not like the guns would be hurt with that decision. They’re inanimate objects.
I’m less comfortable with putting down an entire breed of animal because some people are irresponsible assholes, and either abuse their pets or raise them to be attack dogs.
You're assuming how this can be done. The law in the UK is that it is illegal to import or breed these dogs. You can implement legislation in which dogs can live out their lives and eventually it ain't a problem.
Of course, I am not willing to watch children and old people getting mauled because you care about violent dogs designed to kill. Kill 'em like they kill me burgers...
As I pointed out in another comment, we don’t know that this is how this works. Nature vs nurture isn’t some no brainer just because it’s about something you don’t like.
But regardless, no thank you. I don’t want any animal to be artificially driven to extinction because people are horrible and thus raise them horribly.
Claiming ignorance to avoid solving a problem is weak or deceptive.
These dogs are bred to be strong. To kill. They don't belong in homes and society near children. They should never have been bred in the first place nor imported, but that happened, so gotta deal with it.
People buy these dogs to be intimidating. Compensating for something, I expect. If people are licensed and can prove training, fine, keep them, but if they have already been raised bad, it's probably too late and too risky. A school girls runs past, and bam, disfigured.
Claiming ignorance?? Are you saying that you, despite hundreds of years of debate, have solved the problem of nature vs nurture? Wtf?
And as I said in another comment, so were some slaves. Should their descendants not be allowed in homes and society near children? That’d be insane. That’s not how anything works. Breeding can affect your physical attributes, but we have no idea how much it affects individuals psychologically.
Exactly, so those people raise them to be viscous. So they end up being viscous. If they were raised in a loving household this wouldn’t be the case, but because of their reputation they’re far more likely to end up in abusive households, or raised to be attack dogs. It’s a viscous cycle.
To save dogs, you would advocate killing the children of slaves? The lengths you'll go...
I know the debate about nature vs nurture and it's relevant in some debates. Not this one. People do not have lions and tigers as pets. Some zoo owners probably feel they're passive with the right ownership. Doesn't make owning them good and sensible. If people cannot act sensibly (and they won't), legislation has to kick in.
It is a viscious cycle, and I dont disagree that owners are part of the problem. Shrugging and going "ah well" doesn't fix the problem. Doing nothing gives owners almost the legal freedom to use their dogs to kill folk and get away with it.
…wtf are you talking about? I’m saying that if we follow your logic then that’d be what we’d have to do. I literally called it insane. Maybe reflect on it.
That’s literally what this entire debate is about, whether selective breeding can actually affect a living thing psychologically enough to turn them into a killing machine. There is no argument more relevant here than nature vs nurture. Are you trolling?
You’re right, we need a solution. Maybe for more powerful dogs people would need to get a license. But if I had to guess lots of people aren’t immediately looking for solutions because they’re so busy trying to stop an entire breed of dog from being wrongfully put down.
Do owners currently get jailed for their dogs actions? If not, they should. That may help deter people from getting “attack dogs”, at least a little.
Your logic was insane and misplaced. We weren't talking about descendants. It was a weird logical reach.
This whole debate is about an 11 year old girl and 2 men that got mauled after she ran past a dog and got attacked. This debate is about safety and whether these dogs should be allowed as pets. You may want to shift the debate and move the goalposts, but no way is it justifiable.
If the people defending the breed of dogs aren't going to bother coming up with solutions, their views won't be taken seriously. A young girl got attacked here. A 10 year old got killed 2 years ago. A middle aged lady a few months ago in the UK. Dog attacks in Britain have quadrupled and this breed of dog is the largest perpetrator. If you are advocating maintaining the status quo, you are advocating for more deaths.
I agree they should be jailed and dog owners of many breeds should be licensed.
At least we can agree on that
Or just stop breeding them. This isn't controversial. Humans created them, humans need to stop creating them.
When something was created by humans to be a weapon yes, you compare them to guns. It's like comparing a dog that was bred for eating grass to a lawnmower because their traits were bred into it to provide them with a certain function, in this case being a dangerous weapon.
Are we talking about bulldogs or pit bulls?
A lot of people don’t understand early socialization and strict training is needed for ANY breed.
Regarding my own experience, Akitas and Chows were the most aggressive breed I’ve ever come across. I have never seen Pits/Staffies/Bully breeds (whatever you want to call them) in an aggressive manner - if they were aggressive, I’d love to know what type of training the owner offered them.
Yes we ended up with a dog that was dumped on us, she sure looks pit, and has such a sweet nature. Is curious and gentle with the cats, plays well with our other dog. But she is strong as fuck, so we train her not to approach the door, not to greet anyone until we say so, give her plenty of exercise and a firm understanding of her place in the household - that she is not protecting us, we are protecting her. I've only had big dogs before and we train her as though she is twice her size because in strength she is twice her size. I will say, she is much more responsive to training than her "sister", despite the reputation. We would not have chosen this dog but certainly not going to kill her for simply existing.
I've been bitten a few times by dogs and most of those bites were from Chows. I despise and have learned to keep my distance from that breed. The blacker the tongue, the blacker the heart.
Breed specific legislation should be banned everywhere as it is in more than 20 states… as recommended by the CDC and the Humane society. Everyone on here fearmongering about specific dog breeds are just showing their own ignorance and that their own views on the topic are still informed by racist media reporting from the 1980s.
Why? It hurts nobody to stop breeding a certain type of dog based on their natural aggressiveness. Except breeders.
Every single one of been around was extremely aggressive and they were bery much spoiled, loved, and owned by people who had the money to do so. And the money to pay for legal fees. At least a German shepherd will take to training. Pits for a while wwre thought of having problems with their brains not fitting in their skulls because of how they would all start ok but then became aggressive and unpredictable as if their brains were being damaged by outgrowing their skulls. Obviously this is idiotic but it's so prevalent that these dogs flip a switch and explode that myths were built around them.