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Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals. r/fakedisordercringe is another one of the "be normal debatebro-l" instances

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[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also I hope people in here are decent about plurals

I have some friends who describe themselves as plural. I don't know very much about it, but that's okay. I listen to what people say, keep an open mind, and respond with respect. Other people's experiences of the world are different from mine and are equally important. :)

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

is there a decent explanation of that somewhere? i've only read that "multiple personalities isn't like how it's depicted in media" because of course it isn't, but then i've only ever encountered internet people presenting themselves as systems acting like that troll that was banned recently or like data in tng season 7's masks.

[–] vomit_sounds@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, to note, being a system doesn't relieve us of responsibility for our stuff, is our take. We community police ourselves, so to speak and like even if the alter that is extremely sexual is fronting, the rest is somewhat in control to uphold volcel-vanguard thought. It is not like a car where only one person can drive, i'd guess.

[–] vomit_sounds@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

We are not the best source on this, it's a spectrum and we are on the lower end, mind you

[–] vomit_sounds@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't have DID, but a pretty mild form of OSDD, I think. It's like, breaks in memory, extremely varying amounts of gender dysphoria, between like paralysing sadness after seeing my beard shadow and being able to walk around in swimming trunks on a beach. Political opinions swing from social democracy to "the GPCR was the best thing that ever happened." Different likes in food etc, different behaviour, from nice and charming to constant anger. I try to figure myself out, but therapists are hitler-detector and will never ever help, so I am left to do so on my own. I have two alters that I can consistently identify. It even affects my autism, one alter is almost NT and another one pretty autistic. There are probably some more, but bc of Opsec, no details. I am also extremely suggestible, which I can use for autosuggestive stuff, incidentially giving me decent discipline, but complicating any discussion of that topic (bc people are like "you just convinced yourself you have got it")

@President_Obama@hexbear.net since you asked in the closed mega, this answers your q as well

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i understand some of those words but the whole concept is kinda short-circuiting.

thanks for trying, and good luck with that

[–] vomit_sounds@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

I am not happy that it didnt work, so I will try again: To outsiders, it seems like my personality completely shifts, but I experience no significant breaks in memory or self-perception, as a rule

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I have some experience with two people who had DIS/multiple personalities and with the (non-)acceptance of psychiatrists and psychologists. One person might get a borderline disorder instead of DIS. At least Frank Putnam's MPD book has large stretches that are not good or factual or good science (and do sometimes lack patient centering) Edit: Read Huldra's comment about him, they highlight important consequences of his ideas.

I have a couple of theories of, but mostly it doesn't matter so much. What matters is how we want to interact with bodies that we recognize. We do ascribe to them a sense of continuity and permanence which obviously is wrong and yet not seldom useful. We do ascribe to them certain patterns of acceptable or estimated behavior, too. A clearly neurodivergent friend I have gets cut much more slack if he isn't finding the right tone of cultural civility, which is the right thing to do. Other people would get more scold for failing social cues.

What matters in interacting with DIS is that you yourself are still allowed boundaries and it isn't a failure not to get not communicated things. Though it is nice to talk to people as they want to be talked to, even if that varies.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

CW:(Ableist murder) https://greyfaction.org/resources/proponents/putnam-frank/ (Also further warning that other text on this site may be critical of DID as a whole, but its still a valuable resource for documenting what some notable figures in the field believe and support.)

Frank Putnam also seems to support "facilitated communication"(various methods where an "assistant" supposedly helps someone communicate when they otherwise couldn't, and interprets those communications) and satanic abuse conspiracy shit, specifically in a case when both of these combined led to the murder of an autistic child.

yeah as far as i'm aware "facilitated communication" is 100% bullshit.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do ascribe to them a sense of continuity and permanence which obviously is wrong and yet not seldom useful.

i'm not sure how to parse this sentence

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You expect that people and their feelings and how you refer to them and how they act is more or less constant. That the Julia you talked to 5 minutes ago is roughly the same as the one you talk to now. That this is true for years, too. It is not true in general, but especially not if DIS people act very different (and not in the way of mania) from one moment to the next.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is not true in general,

sure it is, at least for acquaintances. we grow and change over time of course, but outside of trauma or radicalization that most people don't go through you're not going to observe those changes without being very close to someone. Trump is the same piece of shit he's always been for 50 years. my parents' neighbors are the same people with the same politics and general demeanor they had going back to my childhood (well, the ones who aren't dead or moved away).

various coworkers, classmates, sports teammates etc never exhibited radical change outside of normative ranges of mood, and my friend who has bpd or whatever kinda just has a wider range. when i've had occasion to bump into people again they're presenting the same way as they always did, give or take two trans people.

i reckon it's precisely the lack of this continuity that makes whatever dis/multiple whatever people seems scary or disturbing to neurotypicals.

[–] JuneFall@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

you're not going to observe those changes without being very close to someone.

That part doesn't feel right for both plenty neurodivergent and especially people with DIS or alike.

Though I agree that even plenty of neurodivergent are actually having a continuity which makes people feel in control (even if their mood swings are wide).

i meant you're not going to observe NTs changing over time when it's not drastic unless they're close relations. the shifts that present from folks we medicalize as personality disorders are of course expressed more plainly.