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i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.

i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.

and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn't deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!

ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.

idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

That is the universal mindset of most exiles from communist countries who lost their feudal "rights"

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except these people are not accustomed to privilege. Hence, they have a unique perspective you and I have never had.

It's like saying "I like meat more than vegetables", but never having had meat.

I'd give weight to someone who's experienced both systems in real life.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think that because you have no actual knowledge of those countries and the history of class struggle that defined them

Murderous feudal landlords who owned serfs were privileged, colonial compradors who staffed the ranks of the native colonial police and bureaucracy of European empires were privileged, the criminal plantation owners whose labor force were defined by indentured servitude that was at constsnt risk of being disappeared, were privileged

That's the problem with liberals, history and class doesn't exist, instead we have to accept at face value the sob stories of people who were lucky they weren't torn apart by their victims for the crimes they committed in their home country

[–] DADDYCHILL@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

luckily the crimes all ended and no one is being exploited now. so like no need for mass mayocide against amerikkka. right? meow-shining

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

You're assuming that everyone's experience under the same system is comparable.

This is somewhat true for socialist countries and not true at all for capitalist core countries.