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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure where I come down on this issue, but teaching women to be ashamed of their bodies is harmful to the young women.

[–] Milan@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely. And that behaviour should be condemned. But punishing people for their choices of clothing is not the way to go. Target the harmful ideas, not people's personal expression.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok but how does a school do that? You have young women being raised in a harmful faith where they are taught harmful things. The school can't stop that. They can prohibit wearing harmful clothing in school.

I support encouraging kids to express themselves, but schools can set limits to what is appropriate and what is prohibited expression. And the abaya is the opposite of freedom to express themselves. It represents shame, conformity, and the subjucation of women, backed by a faith that tells them they are less than men.

[–] Milan@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First off, the abaya is not a burka. It's a fairly standard clothing item. The idea that an abaya in itself is harmful is absurd.

The harm comes from limiting the freedom of self expression. And that's what France is doing now. Most Muslim girls in the west are fairly progressive, they don't feel that they're being forced to wear what they wear. So what happens then when the government actually infringes on their self expression? It's not gonna make them look kindly on the institutions that will teach them western values, they will gravitate more to the institutions that will teach them Muslim values.

If you want rid people of their conservative ideals, you do that through education. If you try to force people to conform, you'll get blowback and people only get more radical.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

An abaya is a long outer gown or robe, covering the legs to the ankles, the arms to the wrists, to be worn over clothing. It can be worn by men or women, but women are required to dress modestly and cover their skin. It's not commonly worn in France except by muslim women conforming to the modest dress code.

Kids aren't allowed to wear any religious adornments in French schools. No caps, crosses, or satanic tee shirts. That ban has been in place for almost 20 years, along witb burquas, niqab, and other ostentatious displays of religious expression.