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Can we prevent cars from sending data to servers if we remove their antennae? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I don't know anything about cars.

Now that we have established that cars seriously undermine our privacy (look at the flurry of posts in this community in the last few hours), what can we do about it?

From a networking POV, if you remove the ability to connect to the Internet, it doesn't matter what the car is recording as long as you can ensure there is no physical tampering. Depending on who you are, this is a good idea, and doable for the most part (very few people have the technical knowledge to pull out the right chip from a car).

So, how do we achieve this? I implore the community to invite mechanical/car engineers who can help us on this matter, and to form methods to prevent vehicles from accessing the Internet without express consent from the user.

Thanks!

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[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or the car just doesn't start one day because it hasn't connected to its server in a month, forcing you to go to the dealer to fix it. Why do you so fervently believe a manufacturer wouldn't resort to tactics like this that they already employ for other systems? It's naive to think that manufacturers would never remotely disable a car in full or in part because it has been modified without authorization. If it profits them, they physically can, and no regulation prevents it, they will. Right to repair is a nice movement, that I fully support, but it's very very far from a universal right anywhere.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to have to give you this upvote 👍

You're not wrong.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Hopefully they just haven’t thought about that yet

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or the car just doesn’t start one day because it hasn’t connected to its server in a month, forcing you >to go to the dealer to fix it.

You are exaggerating, a manufacturer can't do that. The simple reason is that lots of people live (or spend part of the year) in places where the only internet access is through satellite, this is specially true in big countries. The most probable thing they do is to save all the data until there is internet connection available to send it.

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to be confused about the difference between can and will. I don't believe every or even most manufacturers would actually do this, but pretending that they cannot do it (or something like it) purely due to market pressure is naive.

[–] corvus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand the difference but they never are going to do that for the same reason that they have never and they never will block your phone if its not connected to the internet, there are personal security reasons, they cannot leave you with an unusable phone or car. Even people who dont give a fuck about privacy wouldn't accept something like that, they would go bankrupt.

[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

I understand the difference

Proceeds to conflate ability and willingness again.

You sound like a corporate chat bot stuck in a rhetorical loop.