I know you people don't consider Ukrainians actual humans with agency but they fight because they are forced to do so by Russians. And if they stopped fighting they would be eradicated by Russians. Whether the West wants them to resist Russia or not has no weight in that.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've seen videos and articles that suggest that many Ukrainians fight because they are forced to do so by other Ukrainians. And what do you mean eradicated? Do you know of some secret extermination camp nobody else knows about?

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Show proof of your bald-faced lie propagandist

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's openly reported in western media ignoramus https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/02/26/ukraine-finds-stepping-up-mobilisation-is-not-so-easy

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

So liberal western media is trustworthy to you now?

[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From your link:

Not all who get draft notices are actually inducted; sometimes the notices are simply a way to get every potential recruit on the books. Even for those who get one, there are ways of getting around it. There are legal exemptions for illness and disability—either of the draftee or of a dependant. Single parents and fathers with three or more children are off the hook as well. Students can defer service. Certain professions also receive what is known locally as bron, or protection from call-up.

The government has extended this to key workers in the energy, transport and agriculture sectors. Many IT staff have six-month exemptions. Alex, an IT professional who handles his company’s relations with the government, says the state understands how vital his sector has become to the war effort. “It’s one of the only areas of the economy still generating hard currency. Many of us are also working pro bono on military projects in AI, surveillance, counter-espionage and other classified technologies.”

From another economist article:

Ironically, though, Ukraine’s army is built on conscription as well. For years Ukrainian law has demanded 12 to 18 months of military service from Ukrainian men, even if many of them manage to postpone it through studies or parenthood (registering with a fake address is a popular trick to duck it entirely). The practice of conscription itself, like so much else about Ukraine, is a relic that it has tried to shed: when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, all its men had to complete at least three years of military service. Four of Ukraine’s last five elected presidents promised to abolish it. One succeeded in 2013, but it was reinstated the following year, after Russia began grabbing chunks of Ukrainian territory. Last month, just before the war started, Mr Zelensky proposed an end to conscription by early 2024.

Almost like it's far more nuanced than "being forced to fight". But you and your tanky buds will never admit that none of this would have to happen if Russia didn't invade Ukraine in an unprovoked war of aggression

As to your buddy's genocide denial, I'll just leave this here