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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago

Fears of peace talks

What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

Somebody think of the Lockheed shareholders!

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[-] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Inb4 "acksually killing thousands over lines in the sand is good" rhetoric

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Too late, that shit is all over this post already

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Fears of peace talks

Peace bad, war good!

Did I get that right?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?

Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don't see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they'd be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Turns out that an offensive is really hard. Who would've thought? Definitely not centuries of military doctrine.

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[-] superkret@feddit.de 31 points 1 year ago

I know this is hard to understand for a Russian bot, but Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
They will start peace talks if and when they want to.
Negotiations will not be between Washington and Moscow, and even if talks like this would take place (e.g. under a new Trump administration), Ukraine is free to ignore them.

The only thing the west gets to decide is whether they keep sending weapons and how many.

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[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

These Baltic and Polish dipshits should just be airdropped on to the frontlines if they want the war to continue so badly.

Without parachutes.

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[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago
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[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Great, another Hexbear brigading thread. Hexbear needs to be defederated, it's a bunch of fake communists spreading authoritarian propaganda.

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[-] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

I don't believe this for one second. I haven't heard anything from the Ukraine administration that would suggest in any way that they are interested in peace talks. In fact, their recent choice of putting a Crimean Tatar as the Minister of Defence suggests that they are serious about taking Crimea back from Russia. I hear nothing but absolute resolve by both the Weat and Ukraine to keep fighting until a Ukraine victory.

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