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The recent incident from a school in Muzaffarnagar highlights, once again, how many of India’s institutions, and its people, are failing the country’s Muslims.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the only safe spots are those without religion. there is no alternative. we must cull the grasp of religion on humans as we have other barbaric practices if we are to move past this violence and hate.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We would just find another reason to hate. The problem is people and power not necessarily religion.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

If cancer was cured tomorrow, people would still eventually die, but I would rather live in a world without cancer than with.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better not try then, let's just accept our fate and not attempt to do anything about it

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why is gutting religion the only solution? Most of humanity is religious so that seems like a really fucking stupid hill to die on when climate change is a problem we all should be preparing for. Maybe we should focus on what we have in common and build the need to collectivize from there.

[–] Appleseuss@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The amount of people raped, beaten, and murdered in the name of religion is unfathomable. That's why. We should absolutely deal with climate change AND get rid of all religions.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know why you don't think they are related nor do I see why you think we can't work on more than one problem at once. Also if you want to talk about the lack of unity you might not want to mention religion.

[–] I_annoy_you@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

there is no peace without it. you think traditional mulims will not oppose trans rights movement? there is no coexistance with people following religious rules.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you can remove it without murdering most of the planet. I do not think authoritarianism and murder are preferable to religion.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are you putting words in my mouth? Who said it's the only solution?

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look at the comment you replied to. The converse of that is religion is the problem and the cause of hate rather than the excuse.

[–] andyburke@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

The answer is simple:

Religion is not based in fact.

We need solutions based on facts if we are going to handle the problems our species faces.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is the same excuse conservatives use in the united states to keep human killing weapons at home. it doesnt mean we shouldnt get rid of guns. it means we get rid of guns and govern the people

same here. we can move towards abolishing the root cause of most racism and hate (religion) as well as policing and educating the terrible populace that require it.

to turn a blind eye on the root cause, is to prove you have motive in its existence.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is a false equivalence.

It is also not true that religion is the cause of most hate. That's simply not believable in a world where money/possession exists.

Your post really comes across as incredibly immature and extremely bigoted. You can fix that.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Religions tend to give people permission to hate, if they're looking for one

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People give themselves that excuse religion just happens to be the justification. Look at how many hateful atheists there are wanting to force people to abandon religion because they do not find value in it.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look at how many hateful atheists there are wanting to force people to abandon religion

How many? Also, from that point of view religious people are hatefully pushing their beliefs on others.

People have a right to their religion, or lack-there-of. My point was that religions give permission to hate (in the text), and that's not ok.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

How many?

Entire legions of strawmen armed to battle for Starbucks seasonal cups.

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most religions I am aware of do not give you permission to hate in the text. Hate is a sin in Abrahamism and depending on whom it is directed at can be incredibly serious if you believe.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unless someone is picking up sticks on a Sunday, then they should be stoned to death .

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's not advocating hate. That's a moronic religious law about not working on the sabbath which many do not follow.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's literally "kill people who aren't your religion". How is that not hate?

Edit: also, to revisit the point: it's in the text

[–] gowan@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not though. It's kill the people in your religion who don't follow its laws.

And again Christians and Muslims have their own justifications for why they are not obligated to follow the laws of Judaism.

[–] DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Nowhere does it say he was Christian, he was just an old man in the woods. If the religions no longer believe it, it should be removed. Otherwise it's used for hate.

Edit, spelling

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

And that is because they have a skydaddy to do the dirty work for them. Go read your book of revelation sometime.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

TIL asking for religion to not be involved in secular government and a mean comment on social media is "forced" in the exact same sense of the world the theists of world are doing to us.

[–] FatTony 3 points 1 year ago

Well said Lucifer.